You just cannot talk about Palestine on this forum

[Faffandahalf]

Why has the last thread been taken down with a ‘goady op’ message?
What’s so goady about asking why we can’t criticise the actions of Israel?
Don’t even give a shit this is a TAAT and will get zapped.

Palestine exists. Ethnic cleansing is happening. And every single thread gets taken down.

Only one person on that thread shouted anti semitism. Every one else was mostly in agreement about what is happening and it still gets zapped.

I’ll once again direct people to friends of al Aqsa on Instagram and Twitter in the hopes people see this and would like some real information.

Israel is an occupying oppressor committing genocide and the Palestinians are an oppressed people. There is no comparison in the force power and might of these two groups esp when one has the backing and funding of the US.

Seriously pissed at MN for refusing to allow truths to be told about the situation

@JustFedUpOfThis. Thank you x

@JustFedUpOfThis have you just called me a bully because I am Jewish who came to this thread to express my opinion?

‘ Because no one in their right mind will ever negotiate with terrorists.’

The British government did. Many governments do because that is LITERALLY the only way to end conflicts.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter etc etc
And plenty of people view the Israeli forces as terrorists.
And as for ‘educating’ Palestinian kids, I’m sure they would love the opportunity to have a proper education, along with proper sanitation and healthcare, decent food.not to be evicted from their homes, or have their homes destroyed in retaliation strikes by one of the worlds most powerful military forces.
All of that can be negotiated in the terms.
THAT is how you get rid of extremists.

I’ve reported your post as a personal attack @Diemme
And I’ve explained exactly what I meant.
I literally said Hamas were wrong. So you have lied and slandered me.
I have already written a lengthy post about what I meant above about Israel being the stronger occupying force.
Don’t try and get this thread deleted with your attacks

[quote JustFedUpOfThis]@Faffandahalf please ignore the bullies. And thank you for starting this thread. I hope you have a wonderful day tomorrow.[/quote]
It is quite clear that this poster has called a person a bully because they are Jewish. That is not right. That person has not bullied anyone merely given her view! She has calmly given her view throughout.
It is anti-Semitic to suggest she is a bully just because she is Jewish when she hasn't even bullied anyone.

Why do people who stand with Palestine and support Hamas not allow people who think BOTH SIDES are in the wrong a view or call them bullies.

You’ve just done it too @Imonlyhumanafterall2021
You’ve lied. No one at all has said they support Hamas. You’ve lied too

I think there’s been the same poster on all of the threads regarding Palestine/Israel but with name changes, the writing style and agenda are the same.

This thread will most likely soon get zapped due to reports because they’re floundering and don’t want to face facts. Round and round in circles. Shameful.

@Farmology so just to be clear - Israel needs to stop their military activity now, take down the Iron Dome, let Hamas bomb the hell out of its citizens, and meanwhile provide all these things you mentioned in hope that that would be the end of the violence? Is that what you think needs doing?

[quote Acidburn]@JustFedUpOfThis have you just called me a bully because I am Jewish who came to this thread to express my opinion?[/quote]
No. I have called the responses to the OP which are unnecessarily aggressive as bullying. The persistent conflation of Palestinian and Hamas as if every Palestinian is Hamas where the OP has been very clear that she does not support them.

I do not conflate Jewish and Israeli - no one here has - so you shouid give the OP the same courtesy. But you won’t, will you?

So don’t even go near the anti-Semitic accusation you are suggesting because I can really assure you I am not. I am just someone who cannot abide bullies.

faff you categorically stated that you did not feel that both sides were in the wrong. One side is a terrorist organisation. I pointed out that arguing they did not share the blame indicated an anti israel stance.

@Faffandahalf

You’ve just done it too *@Imonlyhumanafterall2021* You’ve lied. No one at all has said they support Hamas. You’ve lied too

Nope not lied.

I have said that BOTH sides are wrong.

Throwing the bully word around just because you don't agree with BOTH SIDES being wrong? Seriously?

You can argue until the end of time about whether both sides are equally wrong or which side is more wrong etc and so on. It's an important conversation but it's also an endless debate.

What is definitely true however is that both sides have to compromise in some way if there is ever to be peace.

The problem is that Israel is unlikely to compromise while Bibi is in charge and has US support, and there is no pressure from Arab states.
The Palestinians are in such dire straits that they cannot really compromise anymore, save to reject extremist stances like the aim of destroying the Israeli state

There is also no end state for both sides to work toward. One state with equality and peace for all is the ideal, but then thanks to demographics a democratic Israel would cease to become a Jewish state, and that is something Israel will never compromise on. So here we are.

This is really quite pathetic.

People giving their views and then someone comes a long and gets personal to another person with a different view! That is why the threads get removed.

Just stick to the views and opinions - throwing words because you don't agree with an opinion doesn't really help keep threads open!

‘ @Farmology so just to be clear - Israel needs to stop their military activity now, take down the Iron Dome, let Hamas bomb the hell out of its citizens, and meanwhile provide all these things you mentioned in hope that that would be the end of the violence? Is that what you think needs doing?’

Where did I say Israel take down defence systems? FFS. This is why the world
Looks at Israel with despair, the utter and complete lack of self awareness and the utter disregard for any view other than their own. Israel has created its own Apartheid and like the SA regime at the height of their Apartheid refuses to aw knowledge any wrong doing.
The world is watching.

@dreamingbohemian

You can argue until the end of time about whether both sides are equally wrong or which side is more wrong etc and so on. It's an important conversation but it's also an endless debate.

What is definitely true however is that both sides have to compromise in some way if there is ever to be peace.

The problem is that Israel is unlikely to compromise while Bibi is in charge and has US support, and there is no pressure from Arab states.
The Palestinians are in such dire straits that they cannot really compromise anymore, save to reject extremist stances like the aim of destroying the Israeli state

There is also no end state for both sides to work toward. One state with equality and peace for all is the ideal, but then thanks to demographics a democratic Israel would cease to become a Jewish state, and that is something Israel will never compromise on. So here we are.

Indeed - both sides need to work together. Sadly that will not happen anytime soon.

Well nothing more to say once people start throwing the bully word at a person who is merely trying to give her view as a Jewish person. Her view is equally valid.

@piddocktrumperiness

I'm not sure they pinkwash things to be fair - they have lgbt rights.

Regarding your point about western installed puppets - true for the most part but recent examples of attempted and failed democracy in Egypt wasn't the fault of the west. Tunisia successfully managed to install a semblance of democracy.

I tend toward being pro Israel and to be honest and it's easy for us to preach what they should do from the safety of the U.K. I think a lot of people like to see the world through the lense of oppressed v oppressor when in reality it's not that simple.

It's hard to come to peace talks when only six of the twenty-two members of the Arab League have recognized Israel.
They are not in a positron to be able to go down normal diplomatic routes under those circumstances.

The creation of the Israeli state was a result of the Holocaust and they fought a war instantly as soon as the country was created in 1948. There entire history has been one of persecution and slavery. I just don't see the evidence of that they deliberately engage in killing civilians unlike hamas and hezbollah

And Israel doesn’t need to provide the basic living standards it could just start by ending the blockades and wholesale discrimination that prevents OPT from having decent food, medicine, access to education.

@GoingOnABarHunt

I think there’s been the same poster on all of the threads regarding Palestine/Israel but with name changes, the writing style and agenda are the same.

This thread will most likely soon get zapped due to reports because they’re floundering and don’t want to face facts. Round and round in circles. Shameful.

Well I've never posted on a Palestine/Israel thread ever before and won't bother again since anyone suggesting both sides need to be held accountable and both sides need to talk etc etc is a 'bully'

[quote Warsawa31]@piddocktrumperiness

I'm not sure they pinkwash things to be fair - they have lgbt rights.

Regarding your point about western installed puppets - true for the most part but recent examples of attempted and failed democracy in Egypt wasn't the fault of the west. Tunisia successfully managed to install a semblance of democracy.

I tend toward being pro Israel and to be honest and it's easy for us to preach what they should do from the safety of the U.K. I think a lot of people like to see the world through the lense of oppressed v oppressor when in reality it's not that simple.

It's hard to come to peace talks when only six of the twenty-two members of the Arab League have recognized Israel.
They are not in a positron to be able to go down normal diplomatic routes under those circumstances.

The creation of the Israeli state was a result of the Holocaust and they fought a war instantly as soon as the country was created in 1948. There entire history has been one of persecution and slavery. I just don't see the evidence of that they deliberately engage in killing civilians unlike hamas and hezbollah[/quote]
Indeed.

[quote Acidburn]@Faffandahalf I would like Palestinians to educate their children on what is right and what is wrong. I would like Palestinians to respect the Jews. And I would like Palestinians to concentrate their energy on getting rid of Hamas. Because no one in their right mind will ever negotiate with terrorists.[/quote]
And I would like Israelis to concentrate their energies on getting rid of the warmonger Netanyahu and electing a leader who will try and make peace instead of ejecting families from their homes and then coming down on them with far superior force when some of their number want to fight back.

Thank you @Faffandahalf for raising this problem.
Im basque , the Palestinian situation has been closed to our hearts normally in there. Seeing how citizens are being killed for living on that side of the land.

@Acidburn does Israel respect the Palestinian citizens ? Not all are terrorist and yet many of them end up killed for defending their home

@Farmology please I am begging you to read the following - Israel has never ever, in the most confrontational situation, has ever cut Gaza's supply for food, electricity and medicine. Ever. Every Israeli University has an obligation to have a persentage of students who are Arabs. There are entire settlements of Palestinians in the West Bank who live in massive detached houses and do not pay any council tax - because they are exempt. If you are trying to be objective- at least hear out a person who actually is Israeli, and not just talking crap based on fake news while residing in the UK.

@LakieLady absolutely fair point! There have been 4 elections in the last year - he just doesn't want to go!

Shaking my head at poster who says there is no evidence of Israel targeting civilians.
I mean wtf. Do you even look at any news beyond the BBC??
Go take a look. Educate yourself. For the love of God how can people be so blind to the plight of the Palestinians. They really are regarded as sub human

@EasterIssland I respect anyone who is willing to sit and talk about the problems like a grown up. You will be surprised at the amount of left wing Israelis who are the same.