You just cannot talk about Palestine on this forum

[Faffandahalf]

Why has the last thread been taken down with a ‘goady op’ message?
What’s so goady about asking why we can’t criticise the actions of Israel?
Don’t even give a shit this is a TAAT and will get zapped.

Palestine exists. Ethnic cleansing is happening. And every single thread gets taken down.

Only one person on that thread shouted anti semitism. Every one else was mostly in agreement about what is happening and it still gets zapped.

I’ll once again direct people to friends of al Aqsa on Instagram and Twitter in the hopes people see this and would like some real information.

Israel is an occupying oppressor committing genocide and the Palestinians are an oppressed people. There is no comparison in the force power and might of these two groups esp when one has the backing and funding of the US.

Seriously pissed at MN for refusing to allow truths to be told about the situation

"Some new ideas have emerged. Two respected think tanks, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the US/Middle East Project have just released a joint report arguing that the first priority should be equal rights and equal security for both Palestinians and Israelis."

We can but hope.

‘The Israeli modus operandi seems like rile the Palestinians up, wait for them to react and then take some land as a punishment and repeat ‘

This is exactly what Netanyahu and his cronies are being accused of - within Israel as well as without.

What’s that got to do with anything @Acidburn? Do you expect @DeepThinkingGirl to say yes she thinks that was ok? Well duh of course not.

She has repeatedly asked whether those of you defending Israel think it’s ok for it to break international law, take homes from Palestinians, ethnic cleanse, build settlements over Palestinian land, throw grenades into Al Aqsa mosque, murder children, keep Palestinians as little more than caged animals, keep children prisoners without counsel or representatives, teach their Israel children to chant ‘May they be erased’ while Al Aqsa burns and March through streets chanting death to Arabs.

Is that or is that not ok?

And if it’s not Ok then what how can Israel be held accountable for its actions?
It is the dominant superior force here not Palestine. The consequences for any Palestinian revolt is total annihilation as seen today with buildings bombed to dust.

How can the world hold Israel accountable for its actions?

@Faffandahalf no, not ok. Absolutely not ok.
But it is also not ok for Hamas to do what it does. Also it is not ok for Hamas to continue brainwashing youngsters into believing that Jews need to be killed. It is not ok for parents to teach their children to be violent to Jews. So we come to the same conclusion here: both sides need to change the way they deal with it. The key word here is BOTH. But for some reason everyone when someone comes here to say that BOTH sides need to do smth about this never ending war - there is always that one person that again starts with "but Israelis are worse". Every single time.

Everytime*

[quote Acidburn]@Faffandahalf no, not ok. Absolutely not ok.
But it is also not ok for Hamas to do what it does. Also it is not ok for Hamas to continue brainwashing youngsters into believing that Jews need to be killed. It is not ok for parents to teach their children to be violent to Jews. So we come to the same conclusion here: both sides need to change the way they deal with it. The key word here is BOTH. But for some reason everyone when someone comes here to say that BOTH sides need to do smth about this never ending war - there is always that one person that again starts with "but Israelis are worse". Every single time.[/quote]
Indeed. No one here has said it is ok.

How many times do people have to say it is not ok for killing on either side. The key word is BOTH as acid says.... until BOTH sides sit down and BOTH sides TALK and BOTH sides take account of what they have done no one will move forward.

The dominant force in NI were the British. Much funding for the IRA came from the US supporters. (Keeping it simplistic here)

The troubles went on and on. The Peace Agreement involved people from both sides. They both had to agree how things were to go forward. It's not perfect by any means but it is a damn sight better than it was before the Peace Agreement. Still lots to do.

They are worse in the sense that they are a mightier superior more heavily armed and stronger in every way possible nation. This means everything the Palestinians do the Israeli response is totally disproportionate and in most cases begins with Israeli oppression in this case Sheikh Jarrah.
They are worse in the sense that they have stolen from the Palestinian people.
They are worse in that they are an occupying force
They are worse in the sense they have committed crimes according to the UN.
They are worse in that they are committing crimes against humanity in their treatment of the Palestinian people.
They also teach their children to hate Palestinians. As I’ve said chanting ‘May they be erased’ is pretty hateful stuff.

Hamas as wrong to fire rockets etc too. They have committed crimes too.

But it is Israel who is morally in the wrong over their treatment of land.

The Israeli people do not live as an oppressed people in the way Palestinians do.

We can disagree on that of course.

Your patience is commendable @Faffandahalf

You are absolutely spot on.

@Faffandahalf and you have just literally proved my point.
I am Israeli - what would you like me to do? To give you my house? To come to Gaza and ask the citizens to give me what I deserve? To close down the Iron Dome so the missiles reach more Jews, and we will have equal casulties?
No one who inhabits Israel right now has stolen from Palestinian people. You are full of hate and you shut down everyone who dares to remind you that there are two sides to this problem. And let me remind you that whether you like it or not - Israel has a right to defend its citizens, same as Palestinians have a right for self defense.

You don’t need to capitalise BOTH constantly.

I understand some of you think BOTH sides are equally in the wrong.

I and many other disagree with that view.

@Faffandahalf

You don’t need to capitalise BOTH constantly.

I understand some of you think BOTH sides are equally in the wrong.

I and many other disagree with that view.

Well then it will go on and on.

Just like in NI until both sides sat down and talked.

Oh please. Give over.
Israel is taking land from Palestinians RIGHT NOW. How’s that for capitalisation.

You’re the hateful one shutting down dissent by the typical rhetoric of Israel has the right to defend itself.
Defend yes. Oppress no.

It’s an oppressing force ethnically cleansing an entire people slowly

What would you like the Palestinians to do? Just give up and die?
Give you all their homes for Jewish settlements and what? Be grateful to live on a tiny strip of earth as prisoners.

[quote Acidburn]@Faffandahalf and you have just literally proved my point.
I am Israeli - what would you like me to do? To give you my house? To come to Gaza and ask the citizens to give me what I deserve? To close down the Iron Dome so the missiles reach more Jews, and we will have equal casulties?
No one who inhabits Israel right now has stolen from Palestinian people. You are full of hate and you shut down everyone who dares to remind you that there are two sides to this problem. And let me remind you that whether you like it or not - Israel has a right to defend its citizens, same as Palestinians have a right for self defense.[/quote]

Until people realise that both sides need to deal with this together, working together, nothing will be resolved and more innocents will sadly die on both sides.

I Stand with Palestine who have the right to rebel against their oppressors.

Stop Israel taking homes and land from Palestinians. To give back settlements they have continued to build for decades and are doing so now.

‘ - Israel has a right to defend its citizens, ’

Israel trots this out time after time after time without any acknowledgement of their appalling and unjust treatment of the Palestinians, treatment that politicises and radicalises ordinary Palestinians. They literally have nothing to lose.
There’s only so many times you can starve and kick a dog before it tries to bite you.
There’s a reason that there has been international outcry over Israel’s actions, there’s a reason Amnesty International repeatedly condemns the actions of the Israeli authorities.
You don’t get to repeatedly target civilians including women and children, and expect to hold the moral high ground.

It’s the only way that the Israelis can assuage the situation is to make it appear that it is equal - that both are as bad as each other. .

There is not a single legitimate for what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. That is why those in this thread are defending by deflecting and misrepresentation.

Until Israel admits that it is has colonised and appropriated land that it did not have any rights to, then there will be no hope of a productive discussion. If it can do that, the perhaps BOtH sides can sit and talk.

Is Israel prepared to do that? Not a chance.

Indeed.
Israel will never entertain any thoughts of ceasing it’s brutal treatment of Palestinians because it has the backing of the US. It is that and only that which can ever make a difference tbh.
If the USA stepped away so would the billions of aid. It won’t ever do that of course so here we remain.
Keep exposing Israel occupation and land grabbing, keep talking about it, keep lobbying politicians, keep it in people’s minds, engage in protest marches, give aid to Palestinian charities. These are the only things we can continue to do.
And with that good evening.
I’ve got Eid preps to continue for tomorrow.

@Faffandahalf I would like Palestinians to educate their children on what is right and what is wrong. I would like Palestinians to respect the Jews. And I would like Palestinians to concentrate their energy on getting rid of Hamas. Because no one in their right mind will ever negotiate with terrorists.

@Imonlyhumanafterall2021 thank you

Educate Israel children not to chant ‘May they be erased’ and laugh as a holy mosque burns

But Britain and America negotiated with terrorists - Jewish Zionist ones. I have mentioned this several times. You don’t seem to wish to acknowledge that Jewish people can be terrorists too. But they were - to make their point - to make people
Listen . The Israelis have no moral high ground whatsoever.

@Faffandahalf please ignore the bullies. And thank you for starting this thread. I hope you have a wonderful day tomorrow.