You just cannot talk about Palestine on this forum

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Why has the last thread been taken down with a ‘goady op’ message?
What’s so goady about asking why we can’t criticise the actions of Israel?
Don’t even give a shit this is a TAAT and will get zapped.

Palestine exists. Ethnic cleansing is happening. And every single thread gets taken down.

Only one person on that thread shouted anti semitism. Every one else was mostly in agreement about what is happening and it still gets zapped.

I’ll once again direct people to friends of al Aqsa on Instagram and Twitter in the hopes people see this and would like some real information.

Israel is an occupying oppressor committing genocide and the Palestinians are an oppressed people. There is no comparison in the force power and might of these two groups esp when one has the backing and funding of the US.

Seriously pissed at MN for refusing to allow truths to be told about the situation

Someone in The Times is recommending Black Wave by Kim Ghattas. There's an article by Roger Boyes today has as many divided comments.

Palestinian throwing stones cannot match the force of the Israel occupying forces. The idea that the two reactions are in any way equal is farcical.
Yes Palestinians commit violent acts. When you are an oppressed minority with no help from the outside world you don’t have much choice

I guess everyone supported the IRA attacks in England then as the UK were the colonisers and had the arms and men. Same with recent terrorist attacks at the Arianna Grande concert and Borough Market etc. We started wars in far flung places and bombed the shit out if them including civilians snd children. Or do you want your government to protect you with it’s superior technology and power

@Ikeasucks

What about the Zionist terrorists who planted bombs in London and Jerusalem (killing 91) because they wanted the British out of Palestine? Do you condemn them? Or is that acceptable terrorism. And is it just a coincidence that The British withdrew from Palestine shortly after the Zionist terror campaign began?

Using violence to draw attention to a cause is not just the preserve of the IRA or Islamists.

And Lebanon. Is Israel entitled to attack another state, killing thousands of Muslims as collateral damage in the quest to crush the Palestinians? The Sabra and Shatila massacre - you’re comfortable with the Israeli role on that? It ended Menachem Begin’s career and thousands of Israelis protested against their own government. There can be zero moral high ground from the Israel government when it comes to terrorising civilians.

@Ikeasucks

What about the Zionist terrorists who planted bombs in London and Jerusalem (killing 91) because they wanted the British out of Palestine? Do you condemn them? Or is that acceptable terrorism. And is it just a coincidence that The British withdrew from Palestine shortly after the Zionist terror campaign began?

Using violence to draw attention to a cause is not just the preserve of the IRA or Islamists.

And Lebanon. Is Israel entitled to attack another state, killing thousands of Muslims as collateral damage in the quest to crush the Palestinians? The Sabra and Shatila massacre - you’re comfortable with the Israeli role on that? It ended Menachem Begin’s career and thousands of Israelis protested against their own government. There can be zero moral high ground from the Israel government when it comes to terrorising civilians.

Has any of the useless leaders spoken up yet?!

Anyone ?! Anything ?

@Ikeasucks

What about the Zionist terrorists who planted bombs in London and Jerusalem (killing 91) because they wanted the British out of Palestine? Do you condemn them? Or is that acceptable terrorism. And is it just a coincidence that The British withdrew from Palestine shortly after the Zionist terror campaign began?

Using violence to draw attention to a cause is not just the preserve of the IRA or Islamists.

And Lebanon. Is Israel entitled to attack another state, killing thousands of Muslims as collateral damage in the quest to crush the Palestinians? The Sabra and Shatila massacre - you’re comfortable with the Israeli role on that? It ended Menachem Begin’s career and thousands of Israelis protested against their own government. There can be zero moral high ground from the Israel government when it comes to terrorising civilians.

@Ikeasucks

What about the Zionist terrorists who planted bombs in London and Jerusalem (killing 91) because they wanted the British out of Palestine? Do you condemn them? Or is that acceptable terrorism. And is it just a coincidence that The British withdrew from Palestine shortly after the Zionist terror campaign began?

Using violence to draw attention to a cause is not just the preserve of the IRA or Islamists.

And Lebanon. Is Israel entitled to attack another state, killing thousands of Muslims as collateral damage in the quest to crush the Palestinians? The Sabra and Shatila massacre - you’re comfortable with the Israeli role on that? It ended Menachem Begin’s career and thousands of Israelis protested against their own government. There can be zero moral high ground from the Israel government when it comes to terrorising civilians.

Cacacoisfarraige

I’m sure Israel would rather they all disappeared quietly. Where are they to go?

I’m sure the Palestinians would like the Israelis to disappear too - only they don’t have the upper hand to carry it through - though they did try it in the several ward they were unsuccessful in.

The Israelis know they are living surrounded by those that would love them annihilated and gone and would have done so and still would if they could. It has all gotten so toxic - all hope for any kind of meaningful peace seems to have disappeared and each side is digging in

The Sabra and Shatila massacre - you’re comfortable with the Israeli role on that?

Yup, my dads childhood was there. And pretty much defined him for the rest of his life.

However, I’m starting to worry that if we dig through the past, we are reinventing the wheel. We know these discussions lead to know where when religion and history is brought into it.

However, I would like to know what’s happening NOW.. why are the IDF protecting settlers attacking Palestinians having a peaceful protest? What’s the proposed way for the people of East Jerusalem to protect themselves from such aggression? Why can’t the UN take an active role to protect the defenseless so that they don’t need to resort to retaliating aggressively?

Why is the world taking a backseat when the British and the US have imposed this situation on Palestinians?! Is this systematic neglect deliberate ?!

Are they waiting for far right groups to retaliate so that they can gain international immunity to further their settlements by blaming it on the Hamas rockets ?!

Where’s the protection for the other side?! It was never there. They were never protected. This has been an agenda going on for decades.

What’s the agenda at play here?!

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-is-leading-israel-into-civil-war-between-jews-and-palestinians-1.9797672

worth the read

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-is-leading-israel-into-civil-war-between-jews-and-palestinians-1.9797672

worth the read

'Has any of the useless leaders spoken up yet?!

Anyone ?! Anything ? '

Netanyahu has, the usual, we'll kick everyone's arse nonsense. The Israeli defence minister has said that their air strikes are just the beginning. UN is warning it could become a full scale war.

The Sabra and Shatila massacre - you’re comfortable with the Israeli role on that?

Yup, my dads childhood was there. And pretty much defined him for the rest of his life.

However, I’m starting to worry that if we dig through the past, we are reinventing the wheel. We know these discussions lead to know where when religion and history is brought into it.

However, I would like to know what’s happening NOW.. why are the IDF protecting settlers attacking Palestinians having a peaceful protest? What’s the proposed way for the people of East Jerusalem to protect themselves from such aggression? Why can’t the UN take an active role to protect the defenseless so that they don’t need to resort to retaliating aggressively?

Why is the world taking a backseat when the British and the US have imposed this situation on Palestinians?! Is this systematic neglect deliberate ?!

Are they waiting for far right groups to retaliate so that they can gain international immunity to further their settlements by blaming it on the Hamas rockets ?!

Where’s the protection for the other side?! It was never there. They were never protected. This has been an agenda going on for decades.

What’s the agenda at play here?!

The Hamas leader has said they will escalate if Israel does, or back down if Israel does. The Mayor of LOD is warning of civil war between it's citizens, there are Arab Israelis as well as Jewish ones.

[quote Lottie2shoes]@Imonlyhumanafterall2021
Actually you do not come out looking good either.
Your previous post comes out as the most islamophobic bile seen on this thread so far.
You started off nicely, both sides do not look good etc. But then there was " jihad", " terrorism", "children as shields" , " not Muslim country", only the Israelis "holy land" etc etc.
One thing I'd like to clarify is that this is also the muslims holy land. Also Palestinians and well as the Israelis have a right to live safely, freely and happily in their homelands without either side terrorising them, kicking them out of their homes.
As mentioned above, there have been MANY Jewish people who have stood by and tried to fight for their fellow Muslim brothers to live there.
It is not a case of Muslims vs Jews. There are Christian Palestinians also as im sure other religions.
Both sides have been wrong with unfortunately it seems to always be the civilians who bear the brunt.
As for the " it always belonged to the Jews and the facts peddled with this statement". I have seen " facts" from both with contrasting results.

I personally would like to see both parties living side by side and I know that is over simplifying things but kicking each other out of their own country and ancestral homes is never the right answer.[/quote]
Very good points - I agree with much of what you have said.

However Holy Land - What I meant was it was originally Jewish holy land for thousands of years - they were around a long time before the Christians (around 2000 years) and the Islamic faith founded around 622 AD. So other religions came along, moved into the area and decided to pick the same holy land as the Jews did. I have no faith but it's unfortunate that given the entire land mass they all pick major sites in the same area. The Christians in Palestine are around 6% and the vast majority of people the Muslim faith.

[quote Lottie2shoes]@Imonlyhumanafterall2021
Actually you do not come out looking good either.
Your previous post comes out as the most islamophobic bile seen on this thread so far.
You started off nicely, both sides do not look good etc. But then there was " jihad", " terrorism", "children as shields" , " not Muslim country", only the Israelis "holy land" etc etc.
One thing I'd like to clarify is that this is also the muslims holy land. Also Palestinians and well as the Israelis have a right to live safely, freely and happily in their homelands without either side terrorising them, kicking them out of their homes.
As mentioned above, there have been MANY Jewish people who have stood by and tried to fight for their fellow Muslim brothers to live there.
It is not a case of Muslims vs Jews. There are Christian Palestinians also as im sure other religions.
Both sides have been wrong with unfortunately it seems to always be the civilians who bear the brunt.
As for the " it always belonged to the Jews and the facts peddled with this statement". I have seen " facts" from both with contrasting results.

I personally would like to see both parties living side by side and I know that is over simplifying things but kicking each other out of their own country and ancestral homes is never the right answer.[/quote]
Very good points - I agree with much of what you have said. I am sorry for causing offence.

What I meant was with regard to the Holy Land - it was originally Jewish holy land for thousands of years - they were around a long time before the Christians (around 2000 years) and the Islamic faith founded around 622 AD. So other religions came along, moved into the area and decided to pick the same holy land as the Jews did. This has ramifications years later. I have no faith but it's unfortunate that given the entire land mass they all pick major sites in the same area. The Christians in Palestine are around 6% and the vast majority of people the Muslim faith.

I think both sides have made many mistakes and continue to do so. Israel have a much better defence system and use it to protect themselves. Should they switch off their shield system and let Hamas and the Jihadi group bomb them to appease others so they all have the same amount of innocent loss of life. Neither side look good and the innocents suffer.

I would love to see people sit down and discuss this and look for workable solutions.

@Ikeasucks

*Palestinian throwing stones cannot match the force of the Israel occupying forces. The idea that the two reactions are in any way equal is farcical. Yes Palestinians commit violent acts. When you are an oppressed minority with no help from the outside world you don’t have much choice*

I guess everyone supported the IRA attacks in England then as the UK were the colonisers and had the arms and men. Same with recent terrorist attacks at the Arianna Grande concert and Borough Market etc. We started wars in far flung places and bombed the shit out if them including civilians snd children. Or do you want your government to protect you with it’s superior technology and power

Indeed. Britain invaded lots of lands but I would support any terror attacks on British soil. I also wouldn't support terror attacks on US soil or any other for that matter.

This is well worth reading

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-is-leading-israel-into-civil-war-between-jews-and-palestinians-1.9797672

I’m sure Israel would rather they all disappeared quietly. Where are they to go?

I’m sure the Palestinians would like the Israelis to disappear too - only they don’t have the upper hand to carry it through - though they did try it in the several ward they were unsuccessful in.

The Israelis know they are living surrounded by those that would love them annihilated and gone and would have done so and still would if they could. It has all gotten so toxic - all hope for any kind of meaningful peace seems to have disappeared and each side is digging in

I’m sure Israel would rather they all disappeared quietly. Where are they to go?

I’m sure the Palestinians would like the Israelis to disappear too - only they don’t have the upper hand to carry it through - though they did try it in the several ward they were unsuccessful in.

The Israelis know they are living surrounded by those that would love them annihilated and gone and would have done so and still would if they could. It has all gotten so toxic - all hope for any kind of meaningful peace seems to have disappeared and each side is digging in

Jesus this discussion will never change until it’s basically acknowledged that bombing other countries is a shitty thing to do - and start there

You can go back centuries picking out who threw the first stone but that solves nothing

It take both sides to want it to stop and to want to start from scratch rather than revisit old wounds repeatedly - like they did in South Africa

It’s so easy to see things as good guys and supervillain’s but it’s just not the case - just as in Northern Ireland- the left especially held the IRA as super hero freedom fighters - and it helped no one

People are suffering on both sides - saying it’s okay to bomb some children because they have shelters and they started it - come on!

I’m sure Israel would rather they all disappeared quietly. Where are they to go?

I’m sure the Palestinians would like the Israelis to disappear too - only they don’t have the upper hand to carry it through - though they did try it in the several ward they were unsuccessful in.

The Israelis know they are living surrounded by those that would love them annihilated and gone and would have done so and still would if they could. It has all gotten so toxic - all hope for any kind of meaningful peace seems to have disappeared and each side is digging in

Cacacoisfarraige

I’m sure Israel would rather they all disappeared quietly. Where are they to go?

I’m sure the Palestinians would like the Israelis to disappear too - only they don’t have the upper hand to carry it through - though they did try it in the several ward they were unsuccessful in.

The Israelis know they are living surrounded by those that would love them annihilated and gone and would have done so and still would if they could. It has all gotten so toxic - all hope for any kind of meaningful peace seems to have disappeared and each side is digging in

@ghostyslovesheets you put it 100% right

PS love your name