John Barrowman put his dick on co-star's shoulder

[Star555]

John Barrowman as Captain Jack Harkness has (had?) been my all-time favourite Doctor Who character. I knew JB has a history of indecently exposing himself on set multiple times, but today I learned that he not only exposed his dick repeatedly but also non-consensually touched fellow actors with it -- like Camille Coduri (who played Rose Tyler's mum)!

AIBU to think that he got away with this only because he is gay? If he had been straight, wouldn't non-consensually putting his dick on his female co-star's body from behind have landed him loads of trouble already? I was utterly shocked to watch the video -- I don't know how I should be feeling after learning that my favourite Doctor Who actor behaved in this despicable manner.

Some gay men feel the entertainment business is their 'safe space' in which they can be outrageous

Tough they need to act appropriately and not display sexually aggressive behaviour. It’s still disgusting and wrong no matter their sexual preference.

@Tottington

I'm glad someone has posted about this. It's vile. There's no excuse for his behaviour!

I can only imagine the consequences for me and my career if I walked around work place putting my vulva on my colleagues' shoulders!

It's sexual harassment and being homosexual does not negate sexual harassment of the opposite sex!!

Spot on! I always invert situations, as you did, when judging how I feel about them. If it's not OK for a female to do it, it's not OK for a man regardless of sexuality or gender identity. As for the poor woman in the first clip, she looked far from comfortable about it. Her body language and the way she "laughed it off" suggested she wasn't really happy but didn't want to rock the boat. The thought of some bloke, friend or not, regardless of intent, putting his penis on my shoulder makes me feel physically sick.

John Barrowman's behaviour is indefensible. Consciously or unconsciously, he was seeing what he could get away with, effectively daring people NOT to join in with all the fun and jolly japes. Anyone who objected or appeared uncomfortable would seem like a party pooper and not part of the gang. It's bullying. It's manipulative. It's exploitative. Put your fucking genitals away. Nobody wants to look at them.

Noel Clarke made me cringe during that video. He was enjoying that way too much.
It's all just hideous isn't it? I've endured plenty from straight and gay men throughout my career. I love working from home on my own, no dickheads waving their cocks around for laughs.

@FunnyWonder

John Barrowman's behaviour is indefensible. Consciously or unconsciously, he was seeing what he could get away with, effectively daring people NOT to join in with all the fun and jolly japes. Anyone who objected or appeared uncomfortable would seem like a party pooper and not part of the gang. It's bullying. It's manipulative. It's exploitative. Put your fucking genitals away. Nobody wants to look at them.

It's really easy to work out whether or not he genuinely believed he was being amusing. Did he do it to big, burly men who could lash out? Did he do it to execs? To his agent and those in charge of renewing his contract? Or did he do it only to people with little or no power to challenge him?

@PeachyPeachTrees

Noel Clarke made me cringe during that video. He was enjoying that way too much. It's all just hideous isn't it? I've endured plenty from straight and gay men throughout my career. I love working from home on my own, no dickheads waving their cocks around for laughs.

Same. He clearly made CC cringe too. Imagine how much more the actual willy wanging of JB must have made her feel.

Absolutely disgusting repulsive behaviour.

I can't believe woman are still putting up with this shit.

Just disgusting.

I wonder if OwlBeThere can explain as I'd love to know the context for pulling your genitals out and flopping them around- as next time I'm having a bit of banter with a cashier at Tesco can I get my fanny out and rub it on their sleeve just to emphasise the camaraderie ? I'd hate for it to seem inappropriate ...

@catface1

I wonder if OwlBeThere can explain as I'd love to know the context for pulling your genitals out and flopping them around- as next time I'm having a bit of banter with a cashier at Tesco can I get my fanny out and rub it on their sleeve just to emphasise the camaraderie ? I'd hate for it to seem inappropriate ...

Don’t be silly. Lady parts are disgusting!

It’s well known in the industry he does this a lot.

@JemimaJoy

This was a 'thing' for a while when I was a teen/early 20s growing up (I'm only 30 now so not so long ago). A few boys did this to (mostly) each other, sometimes a few of us girls. It was a prank, non-sexual, everyone had a laugh and moved on. Not everything is harrassment/abuse, although everyone seems to say it is these days!

What if one or more of those girls didn't find it funny, had been through something traumatic it reminder her of, was scared by it or simply didn't like it, but felt obliged to laugh along and pretend it was ok? Do you genuinely think all teenage girls would be comfortable with it? It hasn't occurred to you that what you see as people making a fuss about things 'these days' is actually people, particularly women, feeling more able to speak up about their boundaries rather than being told by society that they don't matter?

It doesn't matter if his intent was for everyone to have a laugh. What matters is that he can't know if everyone will find it funny, but repeatedly got his dick out and even touched people with it without knowing they were ok with it - he didn't care if it might upset, intimidate, embarrass or scare them.

@catface1 if it’s a joke between two people who are ok with it then it’s really not anyone else’s problem. I’m simply saying none of us were there and we have no idea if those who WERE there were uncomfortable with it. If they were (and at no point did I say they didn’t have every right to be, I would be) then that’s a problem.
We can’t know from that clip anything about the way the people involved felt. That’s all I’m saying. So the snarky remarks aren’t necessary.

@LovelyIssues

You can't have read the full account of Noel Clarke's behaviour if you think it just tells the story of a bit of a flirt... his behaviour absolutely constitutes sustained, repeated sexual harassment of women over a number of years. You can't have read and understood the full piece about him and thought he's a 'bit of a flirt'.

@Codgercockles

Two of my close friends worked on Doctor Who and Torchwood. One said at the time that she was disturbed by John Barrowman constantly exposing himself and that he tended to do it to the young, straight men. The other had been asked to check out a funny smell in JB's winnebago. When he entered JB exposed his penis and laughed. There was no smell. My friend turned on his heels and walked out. He didn't complain he said as he was freelance and may not have got booked again. To me, it's flashing in plain sight.

Would have been a great time to have a kettle of boiling water to hand, and let it accidentally spill. I imagine Barrowman would soon stop laughing. Vile creature.

Ugh. Of course he picked on people who he knew couldn't speak out for fear of not getting more work.

@OwlBeThere do you honestly think getting your clock out and waggling it around and flipping it on people's shoulders is appropriate in the workplace?

I don't really care if 'some' people are ok with it. Sooner or later, someone won't be. Which is why you don't do it.

Some people don't mind being smacked on the arse. A lot of people don't. Which is why it's considered inappropriate to do it, in a work environment. Because sooner or later someone is not going to like it.

I just don't understand why so many people are tying themselves in knots to defend this man's right to expose himself to people.

Why?

@OwlBeThere

We can’t know from that clip anything about the way the people involved felt.

How many times does it need to be said? It does not matter how this act was received. It matters that it is against the law, for a reason, to whip out your dick. Don't excuse disgusting behaviour based on someone else's response. JB and JB only has responsibility.

[quote CandyLeBonBon]@OwlBeThere do you honestly think getting your clock out and waggling it around and flipping it on people's shoulders is appropriate in the workplace?

I don't really care if 'some' people are ok with it. Sooner or later, someone won't be. Which is why you don't do it.

Some people don't mind being smacked on the arse. A lot of people don't. Which is why it's considered inappropriate to do it, in a work environment. Because sooner or later someone is not going to like it.

I just don't understand why so many people are tying themselves in knots to defend this man's right to expose himself to people.

Why? [/quote]
I’m not doing anything, I think John barrowman is a prick of a human. I’m simply saying we can’t say he did anything to Camile that she wasn’t ok with, because she hasn’t said that. Nothing more. I just think allowing her to speak for herself before we tell her she’s been sexually harassed is the best course of action.

[quote flashylamp]@OwlBeThere

We can’t know from that clip anything about the way the people involved felt.

How many times does it need to be said? It does not matter how this act was received. It matters that it is against the law, for a reason, to whip out your dick. Don't excuse disgusting behaviour based on someone else's response. JB and JB only has responsibility. [/quote]
I didn’t say anyone else was responsible.
I said she didn’t seem upset. And that she is allowed to not feel upset if that’s how she feels. If she is upset then that’s also allowed. I’m simply giving the woman her own right to her own feelings on the situation.

If it’s illegal, I wasn’t actually aware of that, then by all means someone should report him to the police. I’m not defending the guy. It’s not about him, it’s about camile’s right to her feelings.

And the rights of any bystanders.

Has anyone asked how the make up artist felt about continuing to work while JB put his sick in his costars hair, shoulder etc? It really isn't about what goes on between two people. This is a work space.

I just think allowing her to speak for herself before we tell her she’s been sexually harassed is the best course of action.

She has been sexually harassed no matter how she feels about it.

The fact you didn't know it was illegal pretty much means you should stop commenting in the manner you have been.

@OwlBeThere

Indecent exposure is illegal. It does not matter if she thought it was funny.

He exposed his genitals in a work environment.

Ffs

@OwlBeThere

IIf it’s illegal, I wasn’t actually aware of that

You are just here for a laugh. aren't you?

Nobody in their right fucking mind thinks it's perfectly legal to take your dick out at work

@OwlBeThere

If a colleague whipped their dick out at your workplace would you think that was within the law?

If you have kids, when they get their first jobs as adults, if they called you and said a manager whipped their dick out at work would you think that was within the law?

Surely everyone knows indecent exposure is illegal? Someone laughing while they're doing it or being famous doesn't change that.

He can't know everyone in the room is comfortable with it, he enjoys the shock factor hence why he does it as a surprise / when people aren't expecting it etc. It's a power thing, even if not a sexual thing. It is always an illegal thing.

I realise the issue here now. JB was obviously just participating in 'Take your dick out at work day'. It aims to promote cock opportunities in the workplace and help give penises the confidence that if they work hard, they really can do anything.