To be irritated by people wanting a foreign holiday this summer?

[Irishterrier]

I know some people have family abroad and that is different.

However I know several people who either have second homes abroad or just fancy some sun, and I feel annoyed by them agitating about wanting to go abroad this summer.

AIBU to think they're being selfish?

@earnshaw47

i think that now more than ever, we need to support our country by holidaying in this country, i know that weather cant always be relied on but , lets just do it , there are some beautiful places to explore

No, we are under no obligation to pay ridiculously inflated prices to solve someone else's problems. You go right ahead and do so if you can afford it and it suits you, though. There's no way I'm going to pay rip off prices when I can get better value for money elsewhere.

@bemusedmoose

Everyone wants a holiday, but during a pandemic taking one is insane. Just because they say you can doesn't mean you should. We'll just end up in another bloody lockdown with more variants.

They shouldn't be allowed until everyone is vaccinated or this has died out.

Being alone with 2 kids and no one else since all this began has been tough, highs and lows. I am exhausted. I would love nothing more to have some fun in the sun. But not in a pandemic.

It won't die out and not everyone can be or wants to be vaccinated.

Wow. I'm actually shocked at some of the answers from entitled individuals. Shouldn't be cause it's Mumsnet.
Going abroad unless being prepared to fully self isolated on return from ANY country is completely selfish. We have lowered the cases dramatically and kept in curb we can keep it that way.

I want to go on holiday. In the last year our family has lost a loved one, had financial worries, we caught covid and when the children for home from school for most of the year my husband still had to work outside the home so I barely had a minute alone. I still had to help my parents with their shopping, medicines etc.
I don’t think I am being selfish to want one fucking week of sun and time away. Not to mention the holiday company refused to refund us when we desperately needed the money so it’s not like we need to find the money as it’s been paid for for 18 months anyway.

Also my holiday cost about 1/4 to go abroad of what it would cost to rent a caravan for a week in Cornwall anyway

JoJo do you self isolate everytime you return from the shops? because green lists allow travel to only countries with similar levels of covid to us and as such there is no greater risk of catching covid there than down our road.

Going the shop or going to work in the UK carries s much a risk as going to a green country.

From what i've seen those most against travel this year are the ones who simple don't holiday abroad anyway or cant afford it this year so are bitter about others going!

From what i've seen those most against travel this year are the ones who simple don't holiday abroad anyway or cant afford it this year so are bitter about others going!

Agree ^. Covid is not going away, that’s not how viruses like that work. In the same way that various flu strains are here to stay. By the end of July nearly all adults will have had the chance to be vaccinated in the UK. I’m not paying upwards of £4K to spend two weeks in a glorified caravan masquerading as a “lodge” in the UK (read some of the Cornwall threads - they don’t want visitors!!)

Covid or not there will always be disparity in what people can/can’t afford to do. That’s a separate discussion.

I want to go away as soon as allowed.
I didn't want to risk waiting for the summer to be decided so I'm staying in England, but have a holiday abroad booked for October. I really hope we can go.

Why is this selfish?

I will be double vaccinated by the end of this week, as will dh.
By the summer all adults in England will have had the chance for their first vaccine, if not both.

Even after one jab there is a big reduction in the likelihood of catching covid, transmitted covid, being seriously ill, etc.

The covid cases right now are so much lower. Vaccination must have a huge bearing in this.

If the summer is too soon, when will it be deemed okay to go on holiday again?

Would you be willing to help fund the travel companies who won't be able to manage much longer without flying, without foreign travel, without holidays, etc happening? There are an awful lot of people employed by airports, airlines, travel agencies, etc.

@Yogatomorrow

It was people going on holiday last summer that would have contributed to the october/november wave last year, leading to the huge number of deaths this winter/spring.

I went on holiday last summer. I did not catch covid whilst there. I did not catch covid in the few weeks after my return. Neither did dh or Dd.

We did not contribute to covid in England at that time at all.

I caught covid from my workplace. I, most likely caught it from a child in school. The government deemed schools safe enough to need no social distancing, no masks, nothing bar hand washing and open windows.

The return of covid following the summer was caused by a Greta many factors. The cases from those going on a week or two's holiday to Europe were only one small factor. There were many more issues that played a bigger part in that.

@stitchinguru

Exactly that.... And judging by the ‘I’m alright Jack’ comments on here, we are definitely NOT all in this together. The poor didn’t ask to be clobbered further by a global pandemic! It’s a smack in the face to continue to hear how those lucky enough to keep their jobs, working from home and saving money want to go on a foreign holiday! The virus doesn’t differentiate though so those wanting to take unnecessary risks because they can, could potentially escalate the situation for ALL...

Life is a risk. You take a risk every time you leave your house and go in the car, every time you have previously caught a flight, every time you cross the street. Have you ever done any dangerous sports like sky dive or ski? Are you going to stop doing that because there is some risk to it? Don't the statistics show you are more likely to get run over than you are to get a new strain of COVID. I don't understand the mentality of people expecting everyone to cower at home and never go on holiday again because of the risk. I am not living my life like that. You go ahead and never go out because of what ifs but I ll crack on with my life again.

That being said - to my mind someone going to holiday to a green/amber country and following all the guidelines is different to someone going to a red/amber country and then not bothering about following the guidelines. There is a responsibility if you are going to go abroad.

I don’t quite see it as selfish... more...why would you at the moment?
But then I don’t normally go abroad because I can’t afford to do what I want to do! I could take a cheap package deal, I suppose, but I don’t fancy it. I see nothing wrong with a ‘staycation’ , any change of scenery from the norm is good. If I went abroad it would probably rain anyway, so I might as well stay here! To be honest, our weather doesn’t put me off and it was a lovely summer last year. I’m not one for sitting around sunbathing , I’d rather be exploring different places.There’s still so much to see in this country.

Yes,it is selfish,variants could be brought home with you.....how would you feel if you brought home a varient that is like the Indian one,would you then be happy,or is it "I'm all right Jack,if you die tough,I've had my holiday..."....Ok,so flame me!

I agree it is selfish, we are not out of a pandemic yet, why cant people just give it up a bit longer and wait?!

Also all those desperate for their beach holiday last summer definately caused the huge rise in cases and deaths later on.

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

Staying here in the rain to be charged £1000 a week for some below average place in Cornwall with every other bugger in the U.K. whilst the locals shoot us daggers for being on ‘their’ beach? Fuck that. Got my finger on the online booking trigger for when the green list announced. Guaranteed weather, better service and cheaper.

The government flew in the Covid infected Indian delegation for the G7 meeting just 2 days ago which they could’ve held over Teams. If people are invited to come here from known Covid hotspots then I don’t feel guilty about taking my family on holiday.

This. 100%.

@Coldwine75

Also all those desperate for their beach holiday last summer definately caused the huge rise in cases and deaths later on.

Any proof or source for that?

Also all those desperate for their beach holiday last summer definately caused the huge rise in cases and deaths later on

Where’s the data to back that up? Could the “cram everyone into cheap restaurants“ perhaps have played some part in an increase in cases?

@AvonCallingBarksdale

Also all those desperate for their beach holiday last summer definately caused the huge rise in cases and deaths later on

Where’s the data to back that up? Could the “cram everyone into cheap restaurants“ perhaps have played some part in an increase in cases?

In October, a Spanish variant accounted for 80% of UK cases.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/coronavirus-strain-from-spain-accounts-for-most-uk-cases-study

If movement in and out of the UK had been restricted, we might not have seen so many cases of said Spanish variant.

This is not to say that people travelling was the sole cause of the autumn increase - that is far too simplistic and the spike had numerous causes - but it's certainly a fairly major contributing factor.

I have looked at the cost of staycations and I really can’t afford them.
We are looking to go away next year. I am looking at renting a house/villa etc
I want a pool, hot tub WiFi, a dishwasher, washing machine and dishwasher.

Looking in this country to get all that i think the cheapest place was around £750 per night. Just to get the right amount of bedrooms is £200 to go where we were looking to go and then you can’t guarantee the weather

Where we want to go abroad even with flights to get everything we want it works out cheaper and the weather is guaranteed

I want, I want, I want.

You sound like a nice person.

I work overseas. Thanks to covid and various other factors, I have not been back to the UK for almost 3 years. I live somewhere that is currently on the red list even though there are over 11m vaccine doses distributed amongst a population smaller than that. I just want to be able to see my parents, sister, nieces and friends in the UK without spending ten days in a tiny box with rubbish food and paying almost £2000 for the privilege. I have nice weather here and most things are open, but I want to see people I care about.

I also understand people who want a holiday - no shame in wanting that.

Nothing wrong with wanting

What I think is going to happen is most people will stay in this country this year.
They will pay through the nose to sit looking out at the rain or grey skies . It will just put people off staycationing and by next year it will be a fight to leave the country.

I don't blame anyone for wanting a holiday. It's been a shit year for many people so it's hardly surprising many are keen to get away from it all. I am a bit concerned that schools could end up closing again in the autumn/winter as a result. I work in a school and we know for a fact that a number of families who took their kids abroad last summer did not quarantine on their return as they were supposed to. Nothing I can do about it though.

If the Government are going to allow foreign travel then IMO it's unreasonable to be angry with people for going, if you disagree with the policy it's the government you should be angry with.