to be surprised at how many Mumsnetters are fine with pornography?

[Elizabetth]

Particularly as porn has become so much more mainstream in the past few years, I'd have thought that people would be concerned about premature sexualisation of children. Also I'm surprised that so many women are fine with it given that the humiliation and degradation of women is the central theme of pornography. You only have to look at the titles to realise that.

As this thread is fast moving I'll just repeat myself.

Did anyone see that Cook Report ages ago? A British woman answered an ad for a nursery assistant job abroad - Portugal was it? When she got there she was kidnapped, drugged, beaten and forced into prostitution. They got her hooked onto drugs and would beat her and threaten to put her in a snuff movie if she didn't do as they said.

She managed to escape but has been mentally affected by her experiences. She said beatings were common for the women there, most were force-fed drugs to keep them quiet.

Her story is truly shocking.

LuckySalem, for every person like Kathy Barry, there are women whose real-life stories were portrayed in this harrowing television drama
The author, a respected playwright, researched her characters and plotline very carefully. She spoke to many women from Eastern Europe who are drugged, threatened, enslaved and raped by men working in the sex trade.

TMMJ - I think this came up before on a thread about Jordan possibly about "what if that were your daughter".

Personally, I hope that the way I raise DD will over-ride what she sees in the "outside" world.

If it were my daughter I'd be as annoyed as if it were my son - BUT it's their choice!!

I'd be making sure they were safe and weren't being abused or ripped off!!

Same as if she chose to be an actress making a film with a sex scene in it!!

x posts Marina!

That is the point I am making.

If he was a gay guy that wanted to be filmed having sex??
Of course I wouldnt be particularly happy, I want more for him than that, but he is my son, and I love him very much, if it was what was going to make him happy then so be it.
I wouldnt want to watch it though, anymore than I would want to watch him having loving sex with his wife!

Can a woman not enjoy amking porn elizabeth?

yes rhubarb i think force or too drugged up/unable to consent is far more common in the industry than anyone wants to acknowledge.

*making

If my dd wanted to star in porn I'd be okay with it as long as she was doing it because she wanted to and as long as she was looked after.

Surely the anal thing is a matter of the intent/attitudes of the fucker and fuckees. Consentin anal sex between people who want it - why the hell not. Anal sex perpetrated on a woman, in a porn context, with the intent of displaying aggression and humiliating the woman - not OK. And the latter usage is increasingly common, isn't it?

can i also trump you all and say I've been on a porno set?

Rhubarb - yes I saw your post (fast moving thread)

However, are there any % of what women are forced and what women do it because they WANT to?

There are good and bad things about everything in life.

Marina - I think I saw that and it was horrid but that doesn't mean we tar the whole industry with the same brush. It means you find the bs that do that kinda thing and bring them to justice (although my justice would be to cut their knackers off)

hmm, each to his own but not for me. dh and i get off on each other if you will, that, for me, is what a committed marriage is about. porn imo and experience is addictive, desensitising and invades the privacy of relationships. the adult porn industry is closely interwoven with drugs and explotation and yes, child pornography. i think that those that think a little light porn watching together is harmless and victimless are playing with fire.

MY but there are some narrow-minded attitudes being expounded on here!

Pornography is not a new concept. In one form or another it has been around for centuries (millenia even!) What's the well-known epithet about 'the oldest profession in the world'? Sex work, and sex workers have been a part of society ever since you could describe a group of people with such a word, and this will continue as long into the future as well. Just because it is more accessible now, that is not an argument for bemoaning its presence. EVERYTHING is more accessible now, but to bemoan everything is simply a form of 21st-Century Ludditism that has no place in a forward-looking society.

There are many arguments for saying that some people in the pornographic industry are put there by economic strictures, and therefore trapped in a slightly self-destructive cycle. However, the vast majority of porn stars are there because they are very well paid for their work (upwards of £400 per day's shoot for 'basic' intercourse as far as I am aware, more for lesbian or anal shoots). If someone wishes to view the by-product of that industry in the comfort of their own home, then why should anyone be disgusted?

As to the premature sexualisation of children, what a nonsensical concept. Why not hop back a few hundred years and talk to the average 12 year old girl about 'premature sexualisation' - though of course you'd have to get past their husband in order to do so. ..

So has anybody been watching Diary of a call girl?

excellent post ClaphamLauren

I don't think the difference between porn and erotica is just semantics tbh.
sexual arousal/fantasising is not always allied to political feelings/scruples

Being drugged up is the standard for the porn industry not the execption.

There seem to be a lot of myths floating around that women enjoy it, that they are paid a lot, that coercion plays no part. None of these things are true.

Why wouldn't you be particularly happy VS? If it's good enough for other people why isn't it good enough for him. Also isn't it strange that you wouldn't want to watch him. Parents wouldn't normally have a problem watching their children at work (unless they were criminals perhaps).

good post clapham

Oh ClaphamLauren, I suspect you about to get dumped on from a great height by Elizabetth's Fact Plane...

gfc, no but I've read the book recently and thought it was tame!

yes policy, i certainly don'\t have anything against it (on special occassions obv)
but agree that the humil aspect of it is increasing.

also I think I think that the extent that anal has bcm something that lad and chick mags tell girls they 'should' be doing is bcs increasing prevalence in porn?

So I guess i do to an extent believe that porn sexualizes culture or certainly impacts women's real lives..

HOw do I get a sticker??