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To ask if you personally judge people who dress alternatively?

444 replies

getyourfreakon · 05/05/2021 22:58

As per the thread title.
Yes, Coronation Street has highlighted the issue. I'm what would be referred to as a "goth". I'm also a mother of one.
What are your feelings on the subject?

OP posts:
Definately · 06/05/2021 14:12

I do wonder about anyone who looks like they've spent hours on their appearance, it's quite a shallow thing to do whether you've spent 2 hours straightening your hair and fake tanning or 2 hours painting your face white and putting in purple contact lenses. Wouldn't bat an eyelid at someone wearing goth clothing generally though.

Claricestarling1 · 06/05/2021 14:45

Nope - I would admire their confidence!

Poppynit · 06/05/2021 14:54

Absolutely not, I admire anyone who feels comfortable in themselves, I’m envious! The Corrie storyline is sadly something that happens far too often.

I must say though, comments like “would much rather see a goth than a fake tanned bleached hair clone!” do not sit well with me. You don’t need to bring other people down to rise others up. Don’t preach about not being judgmental when you’re being judgmental yourself, makes you look like a right arse.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 06/05/2021 15:01

A PP commented that all those subgroups we had back in the 80s - ones that connected people through a love of music and somehow that we as kids thought of as being a part of our identity - have now gone. But it wasn't all quite so friendly and welcoming as it looked/ I left an old Facebook group called 'I love 80s Goth' because of all the hair-splitting, drama, insults and invective over genre. I.e. Bauhaus wasn't really Goth, The Cure and Joy Division definitely weren't Goth, Andrew Eldritch was being stigmatised as being the demon overlord, &C &C.

I left in exasperation. I'd gone there for some nostalgic, lighthearted chit chat about music!

If there's an identity thing going on with this generation, I would suspect it's focused on gender. Which is not to suggest that trans gender/non binary identities are in any way a generational trend - they have always been with us - but to this extent and rooted so strongly in socially-constructed stereotypes of masculinity and femininity? That's new.

minipilling · 06/05/2021 15:57

I am more likely to make friends with them as I'm goth/punk myself (now age 35). But sometimes you get younger people wearing 'goth' type clothing these days and you actually have nothing in common as it's been a bit of a trend. I'm originally from Manchester and I didn't know Sophie Lancaster but have friends who met her. I was at Infest 2007 after the murder happened and a couple of the bands dedicated songs to Sophie.

SmallPrawnEnergy · 06/05/2021 15:59

maybe had some issues in her past to make her dress in such an alternative way
You think people who don’t dress like they fell out of a generic high street shop couldn’t possibly be dressing like that for any other reason then they’ve been fucked up in their past?
Christ what is wrong with people.

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 06/05/2021 16:59

No, provided they have the essentials covered I don't see a problem.

toconclude · 06/05/2021 17:00

None of my business how other people dress.

Startingagainperson · 06/05/2021 17:35

I wouldn’t think an alternatively dressed person was more interesting though.

I think we do make the mistake thinking that original or alternative dressing means a very creative or original person.

Most of the interesting and original people that I’ve met have been the most ordinary / boring dressed people ever!

Cryalot2 · 06/05/2021 17:57

Goths look fine, I admire how some of the females get their eye make up done.
I have very fond memories of a male goth coming to my rescue and showing me nothing but utter kindness one day many years ago. I daren't put the full story as worried a certain paper would pick up.
I view people on their manners.
Abbey's character on dci maimi is one. Never watch the soaps.

OwlBeThere · 06/05/2021 18:05

Surely they want to be noticed, or why would they make the effort? It's disingenuous to pretend otherwise

@lottiegarbanzo I can’t speak for other people but I don’t dress to get attention, In some ways I think it’s actually to deflect attention, if my hair is bright pink and my clothing is black then if people are looking at me, it’s not ‘me’ they are noticing, but my hair. Or my boots. Or whatever. That might not make sense to you. But if I looked ’normal’ and people looked at me then it would make me think they are thinking negative things about me, but this way I can tell myself it’s just because my hair is eye catching. 🤷🏼‍♀️

CirqueDeMorgue · 06/05/2021 18:08

Nope, wouldn't catch me dead in Boden or similar, I prefer an 'alternative' look to 'middle class mum.'

Carycy · 06/05/2021 18:26

Nope, wouldn't catch me dead in Boden or similar, I prefer an 'alternative' look to 'middle class mum.'

See that to me is a very judgey comment.

Cipot · 06/05/2021 19:02

Each to their own.

StevieNix · 06/05/2021 19:06

No the world wouldn’t be as interesting if we all dressed the same/had the same likes and dislikes etc

AuntLucy · 06/05/2021 19:09

I do! I judge them to be interesting, non-confirmist, open minded types that are probably nice people and refreshing to talk to Grin

3Britnee · 06/05/2021 19:19

@getyourfreakon

As per the thread title. Yes, Coronation Street has highlighted the issue. I'm what would be referred to as a "goth". I'm also a mother of one. What are your feelings on the subject?
I don't judge alternative dressers. I'll admit I judge people that dress like strippers though.
CirqueDeMorgue · 06/05/2021 19:24

@Carycy

Nope, wouldn't catch me dead in Boden or similar, I prefer an 'alternative' look to 'middle class mum.'

See that to me is a very judgey comment.

Just not my cup of tea.
lottiegarbanzo · 06/05/2021 19:53

@OwlBeThere I think you're agreeing with me. You dress that way very deliberately, in order to be noticed for the way you dress.

TheHateIsNotGood · 06/05/2021 20:01

I'm far more judgy of people that are well-dressed in up to date clothing, with a face full of recent make-up trends and hair that needs 'condiments' to complete the whole bland shebang.

I'll hoist up my pants now, which rarely match my bra; but then as I rarely expose both at the same time, who would know?

MorganKitten · 06/05/2021 20:09

Nope, I’m rocky and a former gothy/grunger dresser

MorganKitten · 06/05/2021 20:11

@3Britnee when I was a stripper I lived in jeans and hoodies to and from work...

goose1964 · 06/05/2021 20:16

What they wear doesn't matter, I saw a true crime programme where someone was kicked to death just because they wore alternative clothing,. It was awful people doing this.

MirandaMarple · 06/05/2021 20:26

I adore alternative dressing. I like individuality. I probably judge people who want to be the same as everyone else.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/05/2021 21:13

Bit late to the party, possibly due to my intrinsic Gothic insecurity and need for attention Grin but it's an interesting conversation.

I'm 52 and fully embraced my Gothness at 42 having escaped a hideous 14 year marriage to a biker...... I was brought up to dress "smartly" but never had any agency over my clothes as my dear departed Mum reasoned if she was paying for my clothes, she had the right to choose them. My first summer job paypacket went on a range of Bananarama inspired items from Chelsea Girl's bargain basement because although I hankered after Goth it would have been verboten by dear Mama. I was an only child and didn't dare rebel.

I then ended up on a drama school tech course specialising in design and cycled through a variety of looks; I remember at one point realising that Laurence Llewllyn Bowen had obviously nicked my signature look of leather trousers, man's white dress shirt with floppy cuffs and flamboyant waistcoat.

During my marriage in amongst the biker gear I tried Yummy Mummy and Boho, but always gravitated back to the Dark Side Wink.

My current DP of ten years is full on Goth and the same age as me, he is also a body piercer of 30 years standing - no I don't clank when I walk, I only have my ears and nose pierced, and he only has three holes in each ear all modestly stretched to a degree.

We love dressing up, we have done live performance in a variety of styles, and if we reverted to "normie" dressing peopl would assume something was very wrong lol. We pretty much forget we look a bit eccentric, and are often pleasantly surprised by compliments, even from strangers. Our friends run the gamut from mainstream to completely out there, and it bothers us not one jot what they wear. I find it so sad when women say to me "Oh i wish I could get away with wearing what you do but I'm too old / fat / have kids" in a wistful way, and will try to encourage them to experiment, if not every day, just once in a while for the fun of it.

I have worked in call centres and doing admin, and corporate Goth is an actual style. Dress down Fridays for me became an occasion when I was actively encouraged to dress up proper Goth, and my range of corsets was much admired by my managers.

These days I have an alternative shop, so my look is part of that, and it has evolved into a bit of a Gothic / witchy / Peaky Blinders mash up. Velvet is my weakness. Dressing Goth needn't be expensive, pretty much everything I own comes from charity shops and car boots. If it's black and has nice detailing, it can be worked in with the right accessories. I do dark heavy eyes and red lipstick and my hair is now waist length - have stopped dying it black and am working on letting the grey flourish, which is giving me a great two tone look. I sometimes wear black and red or black white and grey woolen dreads, and have tried undercuts and various colours because I can - I couldn't do it in my teens so am making up for lost time because I can. I love hats too.

I have only had one negative experience when a charmingly beige attired older lady hissed witch at me in the street, but i simply said a cheery "Blessed be" and had a good chuckle.

It may sound as though I'm a bit obsessive, but as another poster mentioned, there is an element of laziness involved as I can sort of roll through a pile of black clothes and look relatively co-ordinated with minimal effort.

The Sophie Lancaster story is utterly tragic and a sad indictment of how obsession with other people's appearance does lead to judgement and can have terrible consequences. My motto is live and let live - I will judge bad behaviour, but not how someone looks. If we all looked the same, how drab and dreary the world would be.

Oh, and on Youtube, those interested in vintage and cottage core etc might like Rachel Maksy - she's very funny and all about the clothes and costume - saved a small portion of my sanity during this lockdown for sure!

We need fun more than ever at the moment, so why shouldn't it come from dressing up???

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