To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

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I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

@QueenOfTheDoubleWide

People are entitled to vote for whoever they want and may have different views to you about what they want and who is likely to deliver that. I think your view is rather too simplistic

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People still vote Tory because there’s fuck all other option.

Labour abandoned their traditional voters in favour of the metropolitan middle classes. Those hit hardest by the lockdown policy are the working classes and self-employed, the poorest and most vulnerable - and what do Labour want? Longer, harder lockdowns.

If anyone can show me what labour would have done differently in a circumstance utterly unbeknownst to ANYONE then I'll listen. But. All they did do was criticise, nit pick and dig.

In the world we have experienced recently I would have liked ANY party step up to ANY party PM and say "ok gov, we are up the creek, what can we do to help" rather than the Willy waving pissing contest we saw from the party with no control.

Imagine if they replaced him with a woman ! The Conservatives for all their faults and they are many, have provided this country with two female PM's.

It would be championed on MN as some kind of win for IDPOL and memory hole the previous female PM's with any critism considered sexist as there is no bad tactics but bad targets.

There is a reason why pro macron posts would reach with 1000 gushing praise will not appear for the next couple of months.

@Hotankles you do realise that millennials are now late 30s with families and mortgages? It refers to those who became adults from 2000-2010 ish (definitions vary).

@ThisIsStartingToBoreMe

Cant be arsed to read the full thread just wanted to ask if anyone has said "it's like turkeys voting for christmas" yet

No but Tory voters have been described as ‘gammons’.

A few years ago no way would there have been so much support for the tories on MN. I’ve no doubt the will win on Thursday.

Labour and the other parties really need to start looking inward and realise why they are failing

"Mainly I think it’s really sad that there is a move towards far right politics, othering and a lack of compassion for those less fortunate."

THE RIGHT DOESNT LACK COMPASSION, THEY JUST FEEL LIKE ITS NOT THE GOVT THAT SHOULD BE PULLING THEM OUT OF POVERTY (BECAUSE IN REALITY IT USUALLY LEADS THEM INTO MORE), BUT PRIVATE CITIZENS WHO SHOULD BE DOING IT.
why is it the left always refers to the right as the "far right"???

@MrsDeltaB Yes! Exactly this. I actually don’t hate KS but Labour supporters do because he didn’t spend the whole pandemic arguing everything the government tried to do to help. He was mature enough to mostly support when time was of the essence but I’d much rather they worked together in a crisis. He’s still provided strong challenge when needed - which is the job of the opposition. The best Government is one that has a strong opposition whichever way round that is.

@OhWhyNot

Yes of course the Tories are keeping in mind the next election that is from the day after an election

There is a reason why they are the most successful political party ever and it’s because they are not bound by ideology, they shift around to suit what is happening at the time (sometimes they are not as progressive as Labour but many voters do not like sudden) and they always pull together as a party when they need to look at the last election

Labour will quite happily waste time arguing about what the party stands for

I agree, for instance when Lizz Truss did a massive back peddle over the GRA. The read the room.

@Cattenberg

I know that people have their reasons for voting Tory. However, “yeah, but Corbyn” is no longer a reason.

Maybe not for you but it has caused deep distrust. I absolutely judge anyone who voted Labour in that election. Overlooking blatant systemic racism in your party as a bit of an inconvenience but oh we’re the nice party really.. It was appalling. It was deeply worrying. It takes more than a couple of years to fix that.

Never say never when talking politics but I can't imagine KS resigning until he and the Party know who his replacement will be.
He will tough it out

1. hoping he gets some support from Labour (sensible) from Wales or Scotland.
2. A really bad day might make some of the Far Left reel in a bit.

At the end of the day, politics is about noise. If you are a savvy voter you ignore the noise and look at the actions, especially when it comes to local politics, which is what tomorrow is all about. Weigh up what your local councillors have done that you agree with and what you disagree with, how much of that is influenced by national government ?

Then ask yourself, if you have disagreed with anything, what have you done about it ?

Every political party have had the same traits over the years... it's not just the conservatives... they are al as bad as each other

I cant believe how corrupt our current government are. I still find it shocking that they are still there. They appear above the law.

Mainly I think it’s really sad that there is a move towards far right politics,

One difficulty for Labour is Cons moving to take centre ground, with spending, this makes it harder for Labour to get their own space.

2) A really bad day might make some of the Far Left reel in a bit

Surely if that was going to happen it would’ve happened after the last election?

I live in a Tory area where until the sun changes to the moon we will remain Tory ...I actually cannot be bothered to vote tomorrow...it is a very defeatist attitude but am too exhausted generally to walk to polling station after a 12 hour shift!

Boris Johnson branded the children of single mothers "ill-raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate" in a magazine column.

In the 1995 piece in The Spectator, he said it was “outrageous" that married couples should fund "'the single mothers' desire to procreate independently of men.”

He said "I blame the male sex for the appalling proliferation of single mothers", which "is producing a generation of ill-raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate children"

After saying working class men are "likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless", he added: "If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better.

"It is no use blaming uppity and irresponsible women for becoming pregnant in the absence of a husband.

@fiheka

I cant believe how corrupt our current government are. I still find it shocking that they are still there. They appear above the law.

I agree....but too knackered a!

@MarshaBradyo eh!
What Far Right Policies of the Conservative Party are you thinking of please?

In 1995 Spectator column, Johnson added: “Something must be found, first, to restore women's desire to be married

"That means addressing the feebleness of the modern Briton, his reluctance or inability to take control of his woman and be head of a household.”

Boris Johnson rode to the defence of Toby Young, who quit a universities watchdog after it emerged he'd joked about "hard-core dykes" and appeared to say of a woman: "I had my d* up her a*."

Screenshots of tweets in Mr Young's name from 2009-10 depicted him telling one person "f* you, penis breath", calling George Clooney "queer as a coot" and joking of the Emmys: "There should be an award for Best Baps."

But the then-Foreign Secretary, in 2018, claimed Mr Young was "ideal" for the £459-a-day job because he had "caustic wit"

[quote Jamestheleast]@MarshaBradyo eh!
What Far Right Policies of the Conservative Party are you thinking of please?[/quote]
Did you mean to tag me?

I was quoting someone else who said far right.

I said Cons were moving towards centre.

The left think that people on the right are heartless.
The right think that people on the left are stupid.
That's politics in a nutshell.

I have no liking for Johnson and his Eton cronies but also dislike ridiculous exaggeration and 6th form level political analysis by lefties on here.

Contrary to PPs I like Starmer, I respect his intelligence (could never have voted for Corbyn/Momentum). The pandemic has been difficult for opposition parties everywhere - in the throes of the crisis they rightly couldn't be seen to be undermining the national effort by opposing everything. Then people complain that they don't know what Starmer's policies are. I'm sure come the next GE we will hear about them.

There's no local election in my area so I don't have to decide. But here's a radical idea: before knee-jerk voting based on party loyalty, why not actually check what your local candidates' policies and track record are. You're voting for the people that make sure the bins get emptied and nursing homes don't go bust, that potholes get fixed and parks are well maintained, that the local arts are encouraged and schools supported, etc etc.

@DiddlyWiddly

I came to the conclusion the NHS is completely unfit for purpose. Just so beyond fixing we'd probably be better tearing it down and starting from scratch Sad but true Personally, I think a lot of its issues are down to privatisation.. My DH used to do commercial building work, the NHS would be charged absolutely eye watering amounts of money for extremely simple, small jobs because a private company held the contract and could charge whatever they pleased.

If a private firm allowed itself to be ripped off as much as the NHS (or the MoD, DfT etc.), it would have gone bust long ago. A public servant let the NHS be overcharged for lightbulbs. Mismanagement is at the centre of this.