To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

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I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

^ didn't quote properly. That was for @jamesthefirst

Me me me

Because I’m a Brexit voting gammon

Oh no hang on, I’m a wealthy middle class home owner.

Oh no I’m a dyed in the wool blue.

Oh hang on I believe in a free market economy

Maybe small government.

Oh I don’t know. I’ll decide tomorrow

*least

I’ll vote for them

Not because I love them or even trust them, I don’t

But Labour is even more shit

I was really trying to like Keir Starmer...

Tories are bad, but under Labour everything would be even worse imo

I’ll vote for them. God help this country if Jeremy Corbyn had led us through the pandemic.

Not even sure if OP has an issue with the Tory view or different views - more like not understanding how people can vote for this particular government, who have been shown to be liars and cheats who will go back on their word without a second thought and who prefer sound bites and grandstanding to a clear understanding of ethics, and morals.

Labour members have only got themselves to blame they went with a far left leader who alienated many voters (those who supported Corbyn)

Labour will only win if they are more to the centre we are a country that prefers middle of the road politics that’s usually leaning to the right

But four and a half years wasted under Corbyn and Co and a party left too divided for people to trust. Unfortunately whoever is leader has a lot of work to do within the party

As for Boris Johnson he has always been popular with voters I think one of the reasons is that we know he is ruthless and for down maybe they feel that makes him a good leader for the country especially when it comes to Brexit

Tony Blair’s Labour was all talk and no substance - my hard working family was much poorer under Labour than the Tories but we’re all supposed to believe conservatives treat poor people badly. I only have one friend on benefits (recent marriage split) and she works but gets top up that really helps and she lives to a good standard. No holidays to Barbados but normal living means her 4 dc are well fed and she has a 5 bed home. I can’t see how you’d expect more really.

Because I’m a Brexit voting gammon

Why labour is crisis in a nutshell...

I agree. It’s incredible that some of our poorest communities will still vote for them.
Well if decades of voting Labour never brought milk and honey for these deprived communities, can you blame them for looking elsewhere?

When I put my three X's down on my ballot papers tomorrow, they won't be for any of the parties which won't even provide an accurate definition of the word "woman" (it's not hard, they could just copy from a dictionary). That doesn't leave a great deal of choice.

@winched

There eyes are firmly on the 2024 GE and waiting for they young woke uni leavers to pull them out of the shit

Their problem though is that young woke uni leavers grow into working, tax paying, home buying (or lack of!), parents.

I think there is a certain degree of naivety about socialism and wokeness, and I say that as someone who is generally on the left of most things and thought I was actually awake.

Prime example - I remember being outraged about "the bedroom tax" and glad when Scotland said they wouldn't be implementing it. Those awful mean Tory bastards. Then I grew up a little bit and realised that in the real world, where there is a severe housing shortage and families with children in homeless accommodation... how is a single person rattling around in a 4 bedroom home fair? Just because they "won the lottery ticket" thirty years ago. Naive young school leaver me just thought they should build more houses. Thirty year old jaded me still thinks they should build more houses, but in the mean time we can at least try to make the system we have right now fairer (and actually available!) for the people most in need.

It's mostly the Tories methods I disagree with (like implementing the "tax" even if there were no homes available to downsize to).

I hope so. I worry that the millennials have had a very different experience of life than our generation. Everything has been given so easily to them. They have not really had to fight for anything. Freedom of speech doesn’t really exist now in Uni unless it’s the right kind of freedom of speech. Critical thought processes are now deemed as hate crimes. Polarised social media influence has effected them much more than we was ever exposed to.

@TownTalkJewels

No viable alternative.

The last election was like lining up to choose which way you want to be executed.

Awful.

this in spades - I would love someone to vote for How dare they call it voter apathy

OP - would you like to discuss why people believe in different religions too??

Who to replace him is hard though.

Imagine if they replaced him with a woman ! The Conservatives for all their faults and they are many, have provided this country with two female PM's.

@Babygotblueyes

Not even sure if OP has an issue with the Tory view or different views - more like not understanding how people can vote for this particular government, who have been shown to be liars and cheats who will go back on their word without a second thought and who prefer sound bites and grandstanding to a clear understanding of ethics, and morals.

I really don’t think Labour can claim any high ground on ethics and morals after the last few years even though some seem to think it has some sort of automatic high ground. It has lost that.

@frumpety

Who to replace him is hard though.

Imagine if they replaced him with a woman ! The Conservatives for all their faults and they are many, have provided this country with two female PM's.

Who’d have thought it hey

Cant be arsed to read the full thread just wanted to ask if anyone has said "it's like turkeys voting for christmas" yet

If you don't like it, get active, get involved in local politics, work your way up and change things.

Don't just moan, don't just wait for someone else to take action. DO SOMETHING.

Mainly there are a LOT of people who only think they know the policies of those they vote for, in reality it's just spoon fed nonsense.

@lavenderlou

It sums up the British public really that Boris Johnson and the Tory party have lied outrageously for years and it's only when Bozo spends too much on wallpaper that people start to show some outrage.

I can't speak for everyone but most people don't give a hoot about some trifling form which wasn't filled in. They care about the actual issues which affect the country. Vaccinations for one.

I couldn't ever vote Tory but sometimes I think it's more loyalty to labour more than anything else.
J C dodged a bullet really as the minute he did finally leave the pandemic kicked in. He would have struggled or had to isolate anyway.
Plus his brother is a covid denier and the press would have pulled him apart over all that
Hard to know what would have happened but as he had lost the election we shall never know.
As it is Boris Johnson has had to deal with it and that has been good and bad but the vaccine roll out has been good and saved the day. No wonder he looked chipper today :(
They know they will do well

Well if decades of voting Labour never brought milk and honey for these deprived communities, can you blame them for looking elsewhere?

No, but if the milk and honey still doesn't appear after a decade of a Conservative government, you would imagine that people would join the dots and realise that the Conservative government doesn't care too deeply about their plight.

So depressing how many people on here are either voting Tory because they feel there's no alternative or they are angry at Labour's gender stance, or are happy to vote Tory because... well none have actually said why they naturally want to vote Tory. It's a bit like asking the benefits of Brexit - you don't get an answer that makes sense (whether you agree with it or not). Opposition support is so fragmented there's no hope of either booting the Tories out or even reducing their majority at this rate. How have we got to a situation with Labour in pieces over gender identity, Lib dems nowhere to be seen (nationally) while the Tories steam on, ruining the country with so much support??

Yes of course the Tories are keeping in mind the next election that is from the day after an election

There is a reason why they are the most successful political party ever and it’s because they are not bound by ideology, they shift around to suit what is happening at the time (sometimes they are not as progressive as Labour but many voters do not like sudden) and they always pull together as a party when they need to look at the last election

Labour will quite happily waste time arguing about what the party stands for

I know that people have their reasons for voting Tory. However, “yeah, but Corbyn” is no longer a reason.