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To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

828 replies

flashbac · 05/05/2021 19:46

I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

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Nat6999 · 07/05/2021 23:46

In our local elections, the Green Party have taken council seats from Labour, our council only has 1 Conservative Councillor & is now with no party having overall control, it looks like a Green/Liberal Democrat partnership will be in control.

Marcydarcy7867 · 07/05/2021 23:49

At least jo Swinson stood for something - like a pp said about Boris. She said no brexit. I liked that. I honestly can’t see what brexit has given us as a benefit.

Vaccines - the EU procurement programme was an optional joint procurement. We could have opted out even from within the EU. We still follow EU procurement law even post Brexit.

Boris has manipulated/lied to people that we couldn’t have had the vaccine success without brexit which just isn’t true - but it’s an easy headline so he trots it out and people fall for it.

Aren’t you cross he lied to you repeatedly during lockdown?

Marcydarcy7867 · 07/05/2021 23:51

I agree it’s interesting hearing people’s points of views. It’s annoying when people descending into petty comments and bullying. If you have a view - express it! Nicely!

Hotankles · 07/05/2021 23:55

@Marcydarcy7867

I agree it’s interesting hearing people’s points of views. It’s annoying when people descending into petty comments and bullying. If you have a view - express it! Nicely!
I think you need to take a leaf out of your own book! Look at the comments on here towards Tory voters.
Bearnecessity · 07/05/2021 23:58

@Marcydarcy7867

Userg - you’ve fallen hard for the Tory party pr haven’t you!
This type of stuff bothering you Marcy....
Hotankles · 07/05/2021 23:59

@Rejoiningperson

So interesting that this is 50/50 Almost like the Brexit vote!

I think it is more interesting to listen to what does make people vote Tory or Labour. I think we could learn a lot from each other.

It seems we are really divided as a nation, and that is quite a strange place to be.

Well we’re not divided as a nation. MN AIBU isn’t the same as political election poll.

The tories have won by a large margin - again.

It really is time for Labour to take note and try and win us back again. This cannot happen till the rid the majority of the party and rebuild.

CirclesWithinCircles · 08/05/2021 00:01

And on top of being regressive left wing with Corbyn, Labour then appoints a somewhat slimy leader who seems to base what he says on not saying anything that will count against him. As if he is the most risk-averse, hint-of-defamation lawyer out there, rather than a political leader. He does not come across as someone who would stick up for you or for real principles (unless you paid him).

So now Labour have a bit of a reputation as being both anti-women and so woke they no longer represent the working class, as wokedom is preached to us by their artistic, artiste supporters.

Its just such a guarantee of losing votes and elections.

Appoint a female leader (I like Jess Phillips and would probably vote for Labour once to give her a shot but the criticism she is subjected to seems stuff that is never applied to men in the Labour party).

Labour lost their traditional vote in much of Scotland because they were lazy, gave their cronies jobs and contracts and did nothing for people who needed their help. Corbyn and Keir Starmer are both seen as posh and privileged by many working class voters, because they are, so it makes little sense when Labour supporters criticise Boris for being posh. No one really cares whether someone is educated in an exclusive private school in Surrey or grows up in a Shropshire Manor School, or at Eton.

Marcydarcy7867 · 08/05/2021 00:03

Hot ankles - I’m not other pp. you seem to have grouped all non-Tory voters into one person?!

HalcyonSea · 08/05/2021 01:25

@the80sweregreat

The working classes are not stupid. Anyone who thinks this is equally stupid! The Labour Party thought that they were and it's bitten them on the bum and will do for years unless they do something radical or move to the centre left of politics. Which might be a bit of a start!
I hate all political parties but it seems very obvious that the people that have been bitten on the bum are the "working classes" - as you put it - that have voted Tory. It just hasn't fully dawned on them quite yet.
HalcyonSea · 08/05/2021 01:32

you have to give the Tories credit for how they've handled the pandemic.

Most hilarious comment of the thread. GrinGrinGrin

TomPinch · 08/05/2021 04:18

I'm in NZ. From where I sit, the EU's response to the pandemic has been a shameful fiasco.

Brexit has been the reason for the one effective part of the UK's response, which was also a shameful fiasco in all other respects. There weren't any EU states opting out of the EU vaccination programme until much too late. There isn't any reason to believe that the UK would have opted out.

The whole point of Brexit as I see it was so that the UK could organise things its own way. The truth is that the AstraZeneca vaccine and the UK vaccine programme are tangible proofs of Brexit working for the UK's benefit.

In contrast to that, there's no reason to believe the UK's pandemic response would have been any less hapless had the UK. remained in the EU.

I am also not sure Labour's response would have been any better.

Pixxie7 · 08/05/2021 04:53

No way would I vote Tory but not currently impressed with any of them to be honest. Labour needs to start with a proper agenda and plans for the future. Hopefully now the pandemic is hopefully under control and people are returning to work the true situation will become clearer. Let’s see how many Tory pledges are actually met.

frumpety · 08/05/2021 07:11

How is Hartlepool's Town funding bid coming along ? They don't seem to be on the list of 45 announced in March as part of the budget, have they previously recieved it ?

frumpety · 08/05/2021 07:36

Sorry that should have said Towns fund bid.

Marcydarcy7867 · 08/05/2021 07:40

TomPinch - Brexit has nothing to do with the vaccine success. We could have always done the deal with AZ and also always opted out of the joint procurement programme. We didn’t need to be out of the EU to do this. Conflating Brexit with vaccine success is Tory propaganda and they’ve been success with it. Don’t fall for their lies. The AZ jab would still have been developed if we were in the EU. We would have still thrown money at the vaccines not joined the EU purchasing scheme. We’ve never done a joint purchasing scheme with the EU even when we were in it that I can think of!

hamstersarse · 08/05/2021 08:01

@Marcydarcy7867

TomPinch - Brexit has nothing to do with the vaccine success. We could have always done the deal with AZ and also always opted out of the joint procurement programme. We didn’t need to be out of the EU to do this. Conflating Brexit with vaccine success is Tory propaganda and they’ve been success with it. Don’t fall for their lies. The AZ jab would still have been developed if we were in the EU. We would have still thrown money at the vaccines not joined the EU purchasing scheme. We’ve never done a joint purchasing scheme with the EU even when we were in it that I can think of!
How do you feel about the way the EU have behaved about the vaccines? The threats? Do you really still want to be part of that?
Marcydarcy7867 · 08/05/2021 08:10

All we’ve heard is the Uk side of it in the UK press which is in cahoots with the government.., they were trying to get vaccine to save lives in their country. If the boot had been on the other foot and the EU were in a better position than us on vaccines what do you think Boris would have done? There would have been constant stories about how shamefully the EU acted by giving their 40 year old vaccines whilst our over 65s still hadn’t been done etc

YouJustFoldItIn · 08/05/2021 08:12

Well luckily we will never know, will we Marcy?

Marcydarcy7867 · 08/05/2021 08:13

I don’t think it’s something to gloat about. I have family in the EU and I’m worried about them. You gloat if you want but I’m going to instead be quietly pleased. Whatever way please confuse Brexit with the vaccine success - it’s Tory propaganda not fact.

Oblomov21 · 08/05/2021 08:16

I too wonder this OP.
I can't find anyone to vote for, because they are all so awful. But I struggle to grasp the Tory devotion.

hamstersarse · 08/05/2021 08:17

@Marcydarcy7867

I don’t think it’s something to gloat about. I have family in the EU and I’m worried about them. You gloat if you want but I’m going to instead be quietly pleased. Whatever way please confuse Brexit with the vaccine success - it’s Tory propaganda not fact.
Hmmm it is fact that our vaccine purchasing was better than the EU, aided by the new Brexit freedom.

People were criticising the govt at the time because they’d said they didn’t want to be part of the eu purchase agreement. I’d guess you would have been one of them.

But they flexed their new Brexit freedoms.

That’s not propaganda. You just don’t like that they were right.

YouJustFoldItIn · 08/05/2021 08:19

Who said I was gloating?

And you are wrong - it's entirely due to Brexit. Yes, in theory any EU state could have acted independently to procure their own vaccine outside of a joint arrangement. Which begs the question: why didn't more of them do it then, and the ones that did, why didn't they do it quicker?

Xenia · 08/05/2021 08:31

The comments the left makes about working classes can be so patronising - that people have not realised things yet etc. The working class Tory voters are being wiser not stupid when they vote Tory. Labour thinks they are stupid and does not listen to them.

MarshaBradyo · 08/05/2021 08:31

@Marcydarcy7867

All we’ve heard is the Uk side of it in the UK press which is in cahoots with the government.., they were trying to get vaccine to save lives in their country. If the boot had been on the other foot and the EU were in a better position than us on vaccines what do you think Boris would have done? There would have been constant stories about how shamefully the EU acted by giving their 40 year old vaccines whilst our over 65s still hadn’t been done etc
No there’s no way he would have got away with it as the EU are, can you imagine SM and on here.

Even when we do something well the left are negative.

It’s part of the reason you’re doing so badly. There needs to be a way for people to be optimistic and move on.

bellaisle · 08/05/2021 08:33

you have to give the Tories credit for how they've handled the pandemic

Short memories folks. The mess of schools, Tory mates spending, rule breaking by travelling, lies, delays in locking down, short notice of changes, ...if it wasn't so sad and serious it would be funny.

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