To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

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I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

The Conservatives are heaps better for Britain than Labour. Labour has not won an election since 2005 because people like the poster all sit there sure Labour's policies ought to appeal to most people and just cannot understand how awful and weird and unpopular Labour's policies are.

Until the left understand that, they will not be elected (thankfully)

@Justanotherlurker

The privatision of rail is a bit of a weird hill to die on tbh, we need an upgrade and you only have to raise the topic of HS2 to see some people do a complete 180 on that issue.

There are other factors at play with regards to other states owning rail franchises (not track as that is still public) is partly due to the tender process of us being in the EU.

It is far more nunanced, than statements such as 'lol the rest of europe are laughing at us', as most people who have the least amount of critical thinking and have looked into the reasons can see the revistionist simplistic argument some like to make, whilst also waving placards about 'no to hs2'.

The cognitive dissonance is hilarious. In one breath people shout "I went on a train in Europe and it was much better than the ones here". So the Brown government came up with a scheme which would provide us with just what they have in Europe and in the next breath people shout "no to HS rail".

The Green Party are the worst at this. The introduction of Eurostar and the improvements in journey times as HS1 was completed caused the London-Paris/Brussels short haul air market to collapse. Short haul air is of course a bad polluter. HS2 will bring journey times between London and Manchester/Scotland down to a level where they will do the same to those air routes. Recently the French voted to ban short haul air where competitive rail alternatives exist. The GP put out a post praising this, oblivious to the fact that they oppose the very project which would make it possible for the UK to do the same.

I agree also that people seem very unaware of how rail services in Europe are run these days. Plenty of franchising in Germany now.

No given the betrayal of the working class by the left. Repeatedly not listening to concerns over immigration, eu laws that limit fair competition. Human rights acts that prevent the deportation of pedofiles. The concentration on small woke ideas...

Userg - you’ve fallen hard for the Tory party pr haven’t you!

No meaningful opposition. But that doesn’t make the lying bastard torys any better.

@Myothercarisalsoshit

*We all lie

All

I am sure you are really an adult and know this already*

That's some pretty convoluted mental gymnastics you're doing there. Jesus.

Are you seriously trying to claim you tell the truth all the time?

One of the problems with the Left is that they seem to think that no-one lies ever and we should all be perfect humans. That is, other than when it comes to themselves. I saw jeremy Corbyn on C4 news before being asked about anti-Semitism. He was most definitely lying. Full on dirty lies.

We all lie. It's not a party political nuance

So you’d rather vote for someone who breaks the law, laughs at you and people like you in private, hands loads of lucrative contacts to his mates, costs the country a fortune in Brexit (which hasn’t actually given us any benefit yet) and starves the health service and state schools of cash (they went to private schools doesnt impact them and their mates).

Userg1234 Fri 07-May-21 22:45:27
No given the betrayal of the working class by the left. Repeatedly not listening to concerns over immigration, eu laws that limit fair competition. Human rights acts that prevent the deportation of pedofiles. The concentration on small woke ideas...

Yes.

D) Invest borrowed money in infrastructure, house building and green industry creating jobs and spending
@JustAnotherPoster00 I'm happy with capital account infrastructure investment. After all, investments make a return, the government got back the bulk of the capital of building HS1 by selling a 30 year operating concession to a couple of Canadian pension funds, not to mention the economic growth brought about by the improved connections to the continent, I've no doubt that they will do the same with HS2. Housebuilding likewise will bring a return but like with all infrastructure developments there are many vested interests variously described as "NIMBYs" and "BANANAs". People moan about the lack of houses but oppose vigorously any proposal to build more.

I'm not happy however to run a current account deficit at a time when the economy was growing. I feel it immoral to impose such a burden upon future generations when they will see no benefit from it.

@Xenia

The Conservatives are heaps better for Britain than Labour. Labour has not won an election since 2005 because people like the poster all sit there sure Labour's policies ought to appeal to most people and just cannot understand how awful and weird and unpopular Labour's policies are.

Until the left understand that, they will not be elected (thankfully)

Yes I agree it’s bonkers.

They are being thrashed time and time again yet still no admittance or looking inwards to why it’s happening. Just finger pointing and calling people ignorant and idiots instead.

So are people voting for Boris because him being so awful gives tells them permission to not be perfect themselves? Are people voting because they want a less surveillance society,no pressure to be perfect, to have it all? We want the days back where you could speed and you were only caught if you were unluckily picked up by a police car (not cameras on every corner), where you can say Meghan is awful without being call racist, where you have fall out with someone without it being on social media, where you can feed kids crap food and no one judge you, where you can let kids wander around the streets playing and no one call social services, where you can drive kids without seatbelts and not break the law.
Is this what it’s about? You LIKE Boris being so awful. It’s a protest against modern culture?!

There would be meaningful opposite if you voted for them! Your voting for them makes them stronger.

No Marcy...

Selecting a few apposite polarising cultural references and completely missing the point in pointless divisive extremism is generally why people are running for the hills and voting Tory...

@Marcydarcy7867

So are people voting for Boris because him being so awful gives tells them permission to not be perfect themselves? Are people voting because they want a less surveillance society,no pressure to be perfect, to have it all? We want the days back where you could speed and you were only caught if you were unluckily picked up by a police car (not cameras on every corner), where you can say Meghan is awful without being call racist, where you have fall out with someone without it being on social media, where you can feed kids crap food and no one judge you, where you can let kids wander around the streets playing and no one call social services, where you can drive kids without seatbelts and not break the law. Is this what it’s about? You LIKE Boris being so awful. It’s a protest against modern culture?!

Voted for Tory because Labour are so shit. Obviously lots of people feel like this because Labour are massively losing seats.

I’m not trying to goady I’m genuinely trying to understand why someone would vote for someone who openly admits to lying, nepotism and breaking the law (in fact so much so he almost boasts of it) over someone who is surely a good, but maybe slightly dull person who wouldn’t do those things. Also I don’t get why jo Swindon failed so badly - she would have listened to advice and made good decisions. She wouldn’t have missed three cobra meetings at the start of the worst pandemic we’ve ever known in recent history !

Bearnecessity - what do you mean?

@Marcydarcy7867

And don’t say vaccines. We always could have opted out of the EU vaccine procurement whether we were still in the EU or not...!

We could have done. Can you honestly say though that Starmer/May/Cameron/Blair/Brown/whoever would have done? When the government chose to go a different way they copped a considerable amount of flack for doing so. They also got a lot of flack when they appointed Kate Bingham with "crony" being flung around a lot. I think that most of Twitter needs to go out to our newly-opened (outdoors) eating establishments and order a large helping of humble pie.

There have been a lot of cock-ups made in this pandemic (yes, cock-ups, I don't for a minute believe that the government deliberately made these errors) but the vaccination programme was the big thing that the government did get right. Another PM might have made a few different decisions but I doubt that they'd have been bold enough with vaccinations.

Talking of flack, I remember that when the now-former POTUS closed the borders, first to China and then to Europe there was absolute outrage. The WHO was condemning it and everything. So I don't for a moment take it for granted that another PM would have done much better. If anything a lot of the decisions which impacted our preparedness were taken in the early years of the Cameron administration.

It’s a fair point about him being able to stand up for something. Although I don’t agree the mistakes weren’t deliberate. The government deliberately broke the law by giving their friends contracts. They would have had official advice telling them they were doing so. Likewise with most of the pandemic decisions. Ministers get oodles of advice experts and officials.all they have to do is follow it. That they didn’t was deliberate and led to us having one the worst death rates in Europe.

Are you seriously trying to claim you tell the truth all the time?

*One of the problems with the Left is that they seem to think that no-one lies ever and we should all be perfect humans. That is, other than when it comes to themselves. I saw jeremy Corbyn on C4 news before being asked about anti-Semitism. He was most definitely lying. Full on dirty lies.

We all lie. It's not a party political nuance*

So your point is - we all lie so why not elect the biggest, dirtiest liar of all to sit at the pinnacle of the shit heap? OK then. Have it your way.
The problem with 'The Right' is that they are so completely motivated by self interest and greed. They attempt then to delude themselves that 'everybody' thinks the way they do in order to justify their complete lack of empathy. Anyone who is worse off or in need is 'othered' to the point of being an object of derision. Well - enjoy yourself, the next few years are going to be quite a ride.

@Marcydarcy7867

I’m not trying to goady I’m genuinely trying to understand why someone would vote for someone who openly admits to lying, nepotism and breaking the law (in fact so much so he almost boasts of it) over someone who is surely a good, but maybe slightly dull person who wouldn’t do those things. Also I don’t get why jo Swindon failed so badly - she would have listened to advice and made good decisions. She wouldn’t have missed three cobra meetings at the start of the worst pandemic we’ve ever known in recent history !

Have you not read the thread. There are many many posts telling you why people are voting for the Tories. Honestly it’s like you lot are deaf! We ARE telling you - your just not listening.

I’ve read the thread. The responses don’t make any sense - you like a lying, cheating twerp and nothing anyone says will make you consider voting otherwise. Don’t you think this country deserves better?

@Marcydarcy7867

I’m not trying to goady I’m genuinely trying to understand why someone would vote for someone who openly admits to lying, nepotism and breaking the law (in fact so much so he almost boasts of it) over someone who is surely a good, but maybe slightly dull person who wouldn’t do those things. Also I don’t get why jo Swindon failed so badly - she would have listened to advice and made good decisions. She wouldn’t have missed three cobra meetings at the start of the worst pandemic we’ve ever known in recent history !

You don't get why Jo Swinson bombed at the polls? The central plank of their manifesto was to stop the UK leaving the EU. I don't mean "rethink", I mean stop without another vote or any further discussion. Can't you see that even many remain voters thought this to be an extreme position when Labour were proposing to directly ask the electorate what they want to do?

As for why Labour failed and the Conservatives gained a majority, I suspect that it has a lot to do with people being fed up of the three years of fighting. People were sick to the back teeth of Europe being every item on the news. Even some of those who voted Remain could see that settling the issue one way or another would do far less damage than continued dithering. Now that the Prime Minister has fulfilled his promise to "get Brexit done", he can look forward to pointing at a manifesto promise that he actually achieved when the next vote happens. Hartlepool saw the Conservatives principally gain from the Brexit Party, having completely removed their raison de etre.

Constant berating and pleas for working class taxpayers to be the conscious and piggy bank of Britain, in an unrelentingly unrealistic portrayal as Labour politicians as offering a saintly and moralistic alternative to any other party.

Just never going to work, is it? They're even worse than Conservatives, which is saying something. They keep making the same mistakes, the same hectoring posts keep appearing. Most of which are'nt very convincing. People don't want to be mocked or coerced into voting for a party.

Labour supporters almost sound like cult members at times, except they miss out the love bombing bit and head straight to the psychological breakdown attempt stage.

It doesn't encourage people to vote for them.

@Marcydarcy7867

I’ve read the thread. The responses don’t make any sense - you like a lying, cheating twerp and nothing anyone says will make you consider voting otherwise. Don’t you think this country deserves better?

It's lowest common denominator politics. Meanwhile Alexander De Pfeffel is sitting in his fancy new living room, staring at his £800 a roll wallpaper and laughing his tiny little cock off at how easy it all is. They just don't give a flying fuck - we all know it, but hey, at least they're not Labour! TheTory press have really done a number on this country.

So interesting that this is 50/50 Almost like the Brexit vote!

I think it is more interesting to listen to what does make people vote Tory or Labour. I think we could learn a lot from each other.

It seems we are really divided as a nation, and that is quite a strange place to be.