To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

[flashbac]

I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

[quote Blackberrycream]@babbaloushka
Again, many might not doubt that but standing still is still preferable.
A leader who makes racist statements is still preferable to a party condemned by the EHRC and with a mass exodus of Jewish supporters as well as other long standing MPs who were disgusted by what they witnessed.
Read the room.
Least worse option.[/quote]
Although as a citizen of a Muslim country with Muslim family, I must say Johnson's "racist statements" have been hugely detrimental to our UK communities and validate Islamaphobia in his voting demographic- if the PM condones it, and says it, and refuses to apologise, then their bigotry receives the highest grade of approval.

@ThroughThickAndThin01

I’ll vote for them. Sorry op.

Why?

I'll be voting Tory today.

IMO Labour are entirely to blame for the govt. we have now, and I don’t just mean the last election and Corbyn.

If they hadn’t allowed the hard left to dictate the choice of leader back then, if they’d chosen the infinitely more electable David Miliband instead of Useless Ed, then IMO we’d almost certainly never have had Cameron or the Brexit referendum, which ultimately led to Boris and this shower.

You’d think they’d have learned from the Blair years that centre, rather than harder left, is more likely to appeal to the majority of U.K. voters.

@Thatisnotwhatisaid

It just proves how little people care about others basically and how willing they are to accept a lying, homophobic, racist blundering idiot because he’s ‘a laugh init’.

Actually I care a lot about other women and young girls. What I can’t fathom is why people are more concerned over wallpaper than women’s sex based safety and rights ..

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER

IMO Labour are entirely to blame for the govt. we have now, and I don’t just mean the last election and Corbyn.

If they hadn’t allowed the hard left to dictate the choice of leader back then, if they’d chosen the infinitely more electable David Miliband instead of Useless Ed, then IMO we’d almost certainly never have had Cameron or the Brexit referendum, which ultimately led to Boris and this shower.

You’d think they’d have learned from the Blair years that centre, rather than harder left, is more likely to appeal to the majority of U.K. voters.

Yes I agree.

@19lottie82

I live in Scotland and a lot of people will vote for them to try and keep out the SNP. I’m voting labour to do the same in my constituency, but would both Tory over SNP, without a shadow of a doubt.

I’ll be voting Tory today for the first time ever as they are the only party in Scotland who seem to have any understanding of biological sex! I’m in my 50s, and have always voted.

My first vote will be for Labour as very slim chance of them taking constituency back from SNP. Second vote will be for the Tories for reason already stated and also because Scotland desperately needs a range of different voices in our Parliament.

I don’t want to live in an echo chamber! And I very definitely don’t want to live in an independent Scotland.

@ElphabaTWitch

Those with money and expensive large unnecessary properties will ALWAYS bit Tory. Big boys club. You will never be rid of them.

Well yes but there aren’t enough of those to swing a Tory election win. Also loads of these ‘unnecessary properties’, by which I presume you mean country estates and enormous houses, have overseas owners who don’t have a vote here.

@ElphabaTWitch

Those with money and expensive large unnecessary properties will ALWAYS bit Tory. Big boys club. You will never be rid of them.

There will be people who always vote a certain way, left or right.

You don’t win based on that but centre ground.

Blair landslide shows Labour can pull voters across.

There are a lot of people in the centre

@babbaloushka

I cannot believe people would advocate for BJ for women's rights. The one who said "pat her on her bottom and send her on her way", and that women only go to university to find husbands, and who cheated on his wife who had cancer and his an absent father to nearly all of his many children. The man is an out and out misogynist without the shame to even pretend otherwise.

What I can't believe is after multiple posts from many women who AGREE that Boris is a misogynist and doesn't care much at women's rights, you still don't seem to understand what women are saying on this thread. He is crap, the Tories are crap, but they are now the LEAST BAD option when it comes to defending our specific sex-based rights and protections. How is that difficult for you to understand?

I won't vote for the tories myself but I'm so tired of the extremes and the vitriol directed from one side to another, what is it achieving all the time? I have to say though, the superiority and smugness (which I've probably been guilty of in the past) seems to come far more from the liberal woke far left. Perfect example being the treatment of those who chose to vote for Brexit. All labelled as stupid/racist/selfish/didn't care about their children's futures etc. I voted remain but since then have heard some perfectly reasonable arguments as to why people chose to vote leave. The comment earlier about 'evil' within the Tory party and labour being led by good people, FFS this is just ridiculous.

We have a shitty, broken political system which serves none of us. We are becoming a one party state and tbh the blame lies squarely at the door of labour who have spent far more time preaching to the woke liberal converted than actually listening to their traditional core voters and moreover society as a whole. Blair got in with centre left policies which attracted a broad range of voters, including many moderate types who would also potentially vote Tory. Labour don't seem to be interested in policy that appeals to a wide range of people. They have their narrow ideology that they don't want to budge on, they don't seem to care about appealing to a broader range of people or listening to different viewpoints- this is why they are failing.

I said it before but I really do feel politically homeless.

Actually I care a lot about other women and young girls. What I can’t fathom is why people are more concerned over wallpaper than women’s sex based safety and rights ..

Agrer

Agree

@LemonRoses

I agree. It’s incredible that some of our poorest communities will still vote for them. I cannot understand how people would vote for such a total lack on integrity I cannot understand how people are willing to accept one of the highest excess death rates in the world just because they can now sit outside Weatherspoons. I sadly believe they feel Brexit was a win because of the referendum result and the fact we’ve left the EU bit aren’t seeing the devastation it has reaped. Mainly I think it’s really sad that there is a move towards far right politics, othering and a lack of compassion for those less fortunate.

1. That's really condescending. Why do you think poor people are any less able to think rationally and vote knowledgeably than anyone else?
2. Maybe we don't have any greater faith in the integrity of the other politicians we could vote for.
3. Personally I don't think that Starmer or other party leaders would have done any better. I have never sat outside Weatherspoons, maybe it has an appeal I am not aware or.
4. Many Conservative voters voted Remain and Labour supporters Leave.
5. Only my view but I don't think we are moving toward far right politics. I hope that we all maintain compassion and acceptance for others.

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

I hate them too, I could never vote for them, they are an absolute shower of shite and the worst government in living memory, my mum in her 60s says the same.

So what does that say about the opposition? That an incompetent government full of liars looks a better option? We have had years of the tories now, wtf have labour been doing in that time? Labour have been absolutely fucking useless since Corbyn, I had hopes for Starmer but other than being reasonable at PMQs (which you'd expect from a lawyer), what has he done? I have no idea what labour's policies actually are. I don't know what they stand for anymore and I don't think Starmer and the idiots who surround him do either.

I've always voted labour but until they can tell me what a woman is they won't be getting a vote from me. I totally understand women on here who will vote Tory because ironically they seem to be the only party who have any concept of women's rights, who thought anyone would ever write that sentence?! I can't vote Tory myself but I get it.

I'm furious at labour, they have been so crap for so long that a fucking clown like Boris has appeared to be a better option to many people. Labour are a huge reason as to why we have such a crap government. We have no opposition, I won't vote for anyone right now and I feel completely politically homeless.

I hear you! Like another pp, I have voted Conservative but grudgingly and because I think the alternatives are even worse. I'd love to have an option to vote for someone I could actively support. Without a decent opposition, we are condemned to a poor government.

@babbaloushka

I cannot believe people would advocate for BJ for women's rights. The one who said "pat her on her bottom and send her on her way", and that women only go to university to find husbands, and who cheated on his wife who had cancer and his an absent father to nearly all of his many children. The man is an out and out misogynist without the shame to even pretend otherwise.

PM’s number of dc is irrelevant to me, casual misogyny is awful and I’d prefer it not to be there but what worries me more is legislation changing to erode our rights.

Johnson can go and take his attitude with him but I do not want important female words erased and sex based rights eroded in law and practise.

That will stick far longer and impact my dd.

People will of course be more incensed by his words and it’s up to them but it’s legislation that concerns me. And no I don’t know all of it but I need a party who recognises biological reality of woman and uses as it’s the basis for law.

HoL amendment recently was a good example of what I mean. Although cross party possibly

Thank god I'm in Scotland and can vote for the SNP, hopefully one day get away from the Tories.

I agree with @MarshaBradyo - actual legislation and the severe damage being done has to be the utmost priority from a feminist viewpoint right now- protecting our sex based rights is so very difficult right now because there is such huge opposition to it. It's frightening.

We can continue the fight against misogyny alongside this and afterwards but we will be in a terrifying position if labour are in charge.

The opposition is useless in my area the Labour councillor has been all over Facebook stating he is petitioning for traffic calming measures to the bottom of my road not the top because the boundary goes through the middle I think its ludicrous he can bloody campaign for traffic calming on the entire road anything else is pointless the Liberal Democrats sort out things not even in there area because that's what they do and because the others are so useless yet the Conservative party get in every single time and they do NOTHING

Well it cld be worse u cld have the SNP! U want them out so who do u vote for? As labour/conservatives are pretty split down the middle so I vote for who I think has more chance of getting them out.

I haven't RTFT but have skimmed some bits to see I have triggered some Tory voters. Love the accusation I'm from Labour HQ!

Seriously though, where is our self respect? If a partner lied to you this much would you still be with him?
I dislike Labour too so I will probably spoil my ballot or hold my nose and vote Labour. I voted Tory once, fool me once...
I know what a woman is but I also know a bunch of charlatans when I see them.
And my opinion is based on fact. All the outright lies are plain to see and numerous to mention but one I will list here is the one on the side of a bloody bus.

@LagunaBubbles

Thank god I'm in Scotland and can vote for the SNP, hopefully one day get away from the Tories.

The SNP. Im really glad as a women that my daughters and I don't live in Scotland right now

@flashbac

I haven't RTFT but have skimmed some bits to see I have triggered some Tory voters. Love the accusation I'm from Labour HQ!

Seriously though, where is our self respect? If a partner lied to you this much would you still be with him?
I dislike Labour too so I will probably spoil my ballot or hold my nose and vote Labour. I voted Tory once, fool me once...
I know what a woman is but I also know a bunch of charlatans when I see them.
And my opinion is based on fact. All the outright lies are plain to see and numerous to mention but one I will list here is the one on the side of a bloody bus.

I don't understand why its so hard for you to grasp. Don't you think WE see how shite they are. But whats the alternative for women sex based safe spaces. As a women you should be REALLY concerned that the other parties deny we need them.

The reality of it is you don't give a shit about womens sex based services because it doesn't effect you - yet. And I really really hope that one day you don't need them because they possibly might be gone.

or maybe your not a women and thats why you don't give a shit.

Wallpapergate is just a sign that top politicians are paid too little in my opinion. Seeing as running the country is a pretty important job they should be paid better to attract the best talent and make salaries competitive with top level salaries in other sectors like banking, law etc. It would also mean that the playing field would be more level as people from all social groups could enter the fray not just those with an additional private income or a wealthy spouse.

1.That's really condescending. Why do you think poor people are any less able to think rationally and vote knowledgeably than anyone else?

Diamondnights that’s what a lot of Labour supporters think.
Go onto the Westminsterenders threads on the Brexit topic for a snapshot of modern Labourthink. Dissent isn’t permitted and anyone who is not anti Tory and pro Remain is insulted and sneered at and discussed between the regulars in mocking tones.
Then they wonder why no one with different views ever posts.

I haven't RTFT but have skimmed some bits to see I have triggered some Tory voters.

You started a thread but haven't read it?

Perhaps you feel despair because despite posters willingness to engage you have opted to remain ignorant about alternative points of view. Posters have been very open about their reasons for voting Conservative, read the thread it's informative.