To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

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I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

I don’t understand it either. I’ve decided that most voters are dangerous and deluded too

So anyone who disagrees with you is ‘dangerous and deluded’?

The Tories aren’t popular (Trump was more popular when he lost by 7 million votes) but the opposition is fractured.

A sensible, progressive alliance would kick the Tories out but can politicians put aside their tribal loyalty for the greater good??

@ThroughThickAndThin01

I completely agree with you about David Milliband

@lavenderlou

It sums up the British public really that Boris Johnson and the Tory party have lied outrageously for years and it's only when Bozo spends too much on wallpaper that people start to show some outrage.

Firstly the people getting outraged about the wallpaper aren’t the ones who voted for Boris, it’s the people who always disapproved of him and are equally pissed off about this.

Secondly what a horrible sneery post about the ‘British public’ this is.

Smoked yes it’s quite complex as size of state and spending is one way to look at it only and we’ve just been through a huge spending period due to pandemic.

Corbyn and Momentum were perceived to be too left in last election.

Starmer, well I think he needs get a more cohesive narrative going. It’s hard to know where he stands but opposition in a pandemic is very hard.

Incidentally I agree with pp, it’s a long way back, but David Milliband was the better choice. He may have won even, hard to recall much more than a bacon sandwich in press for EM - I can’t remember much about where we were back then though.

@zoemum2006

The Tories aren’t popular (Trump was more popular when he lost by 7 million votes) but the opposition is fractured.

A sensible, progressive alliance would kick the Tories out but can politicians put aside their tribal loyalty for the greater good??

No they can not.

They’re all liars. There’s no viable alternative. I’m not a Tory voter by the way.

@flashylamp

I don't think OP had trouble understanding people have different views. I think OP has trouble understanding why anyone would support the Tory view. It's a reasonable thing to ask. I don't get it either.

So you do OP both have trouble understanding that people have different views... 🙄

@TownTalkJewels perfectly put. My thoughts exactly.

The only reason they get in is because of shite opposition. Corbyn was unelectable. Starmer has more potential but no doubt they will rip themselves to bits at the critical moment.
Same with Trump. Democrats were to blame for him getting in. They were blind to people disliking Hilary.

Privatisation of the NHS, yep just the same in education - it's called academy trusts. We are losing public control of our schools too under the Conservatives.
Gavin Williamson has committed to academising all schools again with his very ill judged comment about how academy schools have been outstanding during the pandemic.
Thanks Gav.
Maintained schools have been outstanding too and all schools have received MASSIVE support from their local authorities. (Even academies) - the same local authorities that the Conservatives are removing.
Be careful what you wish for academy CEO's, self appointed, salaries of £120,000 plus for a tiny number of schools as against the responsibility of an LA director and the same academy trust here, with their recent CEO appointment begging parents for reading books.....

They’re the only main party who knows what a woman is and I don’t vote for parties that won’t acknowledge biological reality.

I’m voting Tory because it’s the only chance to stop Nicola going for Indyref2.
I don’t like either party but I don’t want the union to break up.

Difference is the Tories actually gave people what they wanted. Labour refused to which then stripped the red tinted glow from people's eyes.

Starmer has been object object oh I'll vote with the government all the way through this. Wallpaper! Is that the best an opposition can come up with? Really?

Agreed OP, there are some truly evil people in that party. Labour are not wonderful but at least they are led by good people.

@poppycat10

Local elections are very different OP - local issues are not the same as Westminster issues.

We have an issue locally with certain parties being hell bent on having a new village/town built locally, about 400m from the edge of the town. The Conservatives are the only ones who commit to oppose it. We don't need it. What we do need is a new assessment of how many houses we need with Brexit, covid, work patterns changing and Hong Kong people arriving. Until that happens we don't, and may never, need a large new village (at least 5K houses) being built on the outskirts of the town. But it seems that the other parties stand to benefit personally in some way from it.

Anyway, with that in mind I will vote differently between the district and county elections.

Last time I didn't vote Tory because of Brexit. That wasn't very sensible in light of the fact that Brexit wasn't a local election issue but the local Tory candidate was a raving Brexiteer and I just thought no way - new village or not. But two years on the new village issue is still there so I'll be voting Tory.

Local elections shouldn't be down to Westminister party politics anyway, I think people should be independent.

This is essentially how I stopped having student politics. Our tories were the only party who were pushing forward the bypass our town desperately needed. The others were actively trying to block it, despite their constituents (who they are supposed to represent) clamouring for it.

So I, a northern girl from a Labour stronghold - well former stronghold now, voted conservative for the first time. At which point I started really paying attention to the parties, their policies, and their attitudes to life. And now I vote Conservative.

If Labour want to regain power ever, they need to actually start listening, working to give the people what they want, and projecting hope - not division.

Boris took a loan from a friend to pay for the wallpaper at No 10.
Sturgeon has used almost £1 million of taxpayers’ money to refurbish Bute House (the official residence of the Scottish first minister).
I know which I think more disgraceful.
And I will be voting Conservative in my Scottish marginal, to stop the SNP threat of tearing my country apart.

I am in Scotland and will be voting tactically Tory in my constituency vote , as I want to remain part of the UK - it is an anti separatist vote more than support of the Tories. The Scottish Tories are however more "wet" than their English counterparts
DS is voting Tory in constituency vote and Labour,( who he actually supports ) on his list vote.
I think Anas Sarwar , the new Scottish labour leader has had a good campaign and am also tempted to give him my list vote - but the Scottish labour position, on what is a Woman is putting me off , I will likely decide at the last minute at the ballot box
In Scotland may people are voting tactically -

@BraveBraveMouse

Agreed OP, there are some truly evil people in that party. Labour are not wonderful but at least they are led by good people.

Seriously, is this a joke? What has to happen before some take a good hard look at some of the events of the past few years. There are some good people but some of the racist bullies are still there too.

@BraveBraveMouse

Agreed OP, there are some truly evil people in that party. Labour are not wonderful but at least they are led by good people.

That comment has got to be a wind-up. Labour is led by the same self-serving, lying, cheating class of people that the other parties are led by. People who will say anything to get elected and have a track record of screwing people over. I mean, Starmer is a lawyer for God's sake - a whole career built on getting the guilty off and screwing the innocent.

That is why "people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty." Why bother voting out one bunch of liars if you're only going to install another bunch of equally bad scumbags? May as well stick with the status quo and wait for an honest politician to come along, whenever that may be.

All politicians are lying, egotistical, pompous, hypocritical arseholes IMO. I vote labour because on the whole, they are less so than the conservatives. Marginally.

It just proves how little people care about others basically and how willing they are to accept a lying, homophobic, racist blundering idiot because he’s ‘a laugh init’.

I cannot believe people would advocate for BJ for women's rights. The one who said "pat her on her bottom and send her on her way", and that women only go to university to find husbands, and who cheated on his wife who had cancer and his an absent father to nearly all of his many children. The man is an out and out misogynist without the shame to even pretend otherwise.

@skirk64 There have been honest Labour candidates, like Corbyn, but they have been absolutely steamrolled by the (right wing) mainstream media. Even Labour voters didn't want him and many were completely unable to articulate why. My friend mumbled something about the IRA and said he was voting Tory, until I explain that Maria Gaitland, a Conservative councillor, was an ACTUAL active IRA member. Corbyn just negotiated with them for the GFA. The Tories have an actual IRA member on their staff, where is the outrage about that.

@Mytiredeyeshaveseenenough

Difference is the Tories actually gave people what they wanted. Labour refused to which then stripped the red tinted glow from people's eyes.

Starmer has been object object oh I'll vote with the government all the way through this. Wallpaper! Is that the best an opposition can come up with? Really?

It's not just the wallpaper, it's the consistent pattern of lying, cheating and elitism our PM actively encourages and participates in. The wallpaper is just one of dozens of examples, and one that happens to be (rightly) held at the forefront right now.