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To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

828 replies

flashbac · 05/05/2021 19:46

I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

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Jamestheleast · 06/05/2021 00:04

@fiheka "It has some good things in it, but some stuff that is harmful for women".
Oh! don't stop at that.
Please explain what is harmful for women.

fiheka · 06/05/2021 00:21

@Jamestheleast Just google, the internet is full of criticisms of the domestic abuse bill from feminist organisations.

skodadoda · 06/05/2021 00:33

[quote fiheka]@skodadoda yes some people will continue to vote for totally corrupt MPs who continually lie and are simply lining their own pockets.
I can't think of any government of any political hue that has been as corrupt as this one.[/quote]
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FaceyRomford · 06/05/2021 00:36

Because the Labour Council in my home town - Croydon - has bankrupted the place.

Fattydoggy · 06/05/2021 00:41

Some Labour mps have really let the red wall constituencies down. Look at the grooming gangs scandals. They treated working class children being abused as though they were prostitutes. Unforgivable. If you were a family member of those kids, could you ever vote Labour again? I couldn’t.

FaceyRomford · 06/05/2021 00:43

@m0therofdragons

Tony Blair’s Labour was all talk and no substance - my hard working family was much poorer under Labour than the Tories but we’re all supposed to believe conservatives treat poor people badly. I only have one friend on benefits (recent marriage split) and she works but gets top up that really helps and she lives to a good standard. No holidays to Barbados but normal living means her 4 dc are well fed and she has a 5 bed home. I can’t see how you’d expect more really.
my hard working family was much poorer under Labour than the Tories

My father (an unskilled worker in South London and a Labour voter) kept his payslips for years. They showed that he earned more under a Tory Govt. than a Labour one.

jesusmaryjosephandtheweedonkey · 06/05/2021 00:45

Because the Labour council in my home town are shite.
They have said they will allow the green belt to be built on.
They are hoarding covid grant money and are generally just incompetent idiots who rely on people to vote Labour because everyone here does.
They can fuck off !

Chloemol · 06/05/2021 01:42

All parties lie they are all as bad as each other

SmokedDuck · 06/05/2021 02:07

@MarshaBradyo

Mainly I think it’s really sad that there is a move towards far right politics,

One difficulty for Labour is Cons moving to take centre ground, with spending, this makes it harder for Labour to get their own space.

I think this is a bit misleading.

The fact is that the LP moved to the right, a lot, under Blair. They were basically a slightly friendlier Thatcherism.

Now people think they went too far left with Corbyn and Momentum. But which Corbyn himself was old school labour in some ways, most of that stuff he had to keep to himself, like the fact that he supported Brexit, which would be the traditional leftist position.

Momentum may have wanted to put all kinds of money into state level social programs, and to some extent I thin traditional Labour supporters were for that (though some had doubts about the practicality of the plan.) But they took what was essentially a liberal (neoliberal, globalist) view of immigration to the point they called anyone who disagreed a bigot, and they also didn't really give any convincing account of how they were going to give people good, community sustaining jobs. Because injecting money into services is not the same thing as building sustainable communities, especially when you also aren't taking the movement of labour problem seriously.

So while Labour has moved to the right, the Conservatives are to some extent talking about these things. And it's not totally new ground for them, while Thatcher was a neoliberal to the core Conservatives traditionally also were interested in localism and protection of industry.

So you can call that a return to roots, or moving left or whatever you like, but they have basically changed places on some important issues.

user1494050295 · 06/05/2021 05:57

Blame Labour for this. No leadership. It is their fault for not providing a strong opposition

anon12345678901 · 06/05/2021 06:01

Why wouldn't I when the conservative is best for my area? That's the area I have to think about. I'll vote conservative today.

SirPhillipsgroupie · 06/05/2021 06:06

I don’t understand it either. I’ve decided that most voters are dangerous and deluded too.

Oh, they are welcome to disagree with me, and I respect their right to vote, but it makes me sad and, especially as I’ve got older, defensive.

VashtaNerada · 06/05/2021 06:14

It’s so depressing. There was that wonderful moment when it looked like Corbyn would succeed with the youth vote but that didn’t happen, and I don’t really understand the point of Starmer. But no matter how shit Labour are, to my eyes they’re still much better than the Conservatives. I find it very, very difficult to understand how people could vote for them after all the harm they’ve done, especially under Johnson’s leadership.
Politics tends to come in cycles and I just have to hold out hope that there are good things on the horizon at some point! I wish I had the time and energy to get involved myself to make it happen but with work & family I really don’t have the headspace.

LemonRoses · 06/05/2021 06:49

SmokedDuck you cannot be serious that the Tories have moved left.

They have moved so far to the right but selling a softer message, they’ve not actually delivered on their funding lies either.
Where are those forty new hospitals that were promised?
Where is the crock of gold from Brexit?

Their treatment of immigrants and asylum seekers is abhorrent. Patel’s ideas really are on par with the National Socialist Party.

The corruption is disgusting.
The flag waving is clever jingoism, but so insincere and means nothing. If they cared about our nation they wouldn’t have wrecked the GFA or trashed our fishing industry, reduced our place on the world stage and prevented essential services getting staff.

givemesteel · 06/05/2021 06:50

I am a Conservative voter, and I voted for Boris in the leader election for the one reason of getting Brexit over the line, everyone I know who is tory did the same. I'm no Boris fan particularly, like most I don't think he is fit to be PM, but I knew the country would tear itself apart until Brexit was done, so in my mind there was no other option.

So Keir Starmer and his People's Vote ilk are the reason why we have Boris as PM. Had Labour accepted the referendum result as they said they would, we would still have Theresa May as PM and probably a softer Brexit that more metropolitan Labour voters would have been happy with.

Starmer will never shake off the People's Vote cloak so will never win back the Red Wall.

LemonRoses · 06/05/2021 06:51

@FaceyRomford

Because the Labour Council in my home town - Croydon - has bankrupted the place.
That wouldn’t have anything to do with funding differentials between Tory and Labour authorities?
AMillionMilesAway · 06/05/2021 06:53

They might agree with them on core, unshakeable principles- or just n general.
They might just have always voted that way and don't want to research any further. Or might just not know any more- a lot of people don't take any notice of politics.
They might not see a viable alternative.

Everybody is entitled to vote how they want for whatever reason they want.

AMillionMilesAway · 06/05/2021 06:54

Also, local votes are different to general elections.

SundayBloodySunday · 06/05/2021 06:55

@ThroughThickAndThin01
Could I politely ask you why?

Hotankles · 06/05/2021 06:57

@Fattydoggy

Some Labour mps have really let the red wall constituencies down. Look at the grooming gangs scandals. They treated working class children being abused as though they were prostitutes. Unforgivable. If you were a family member of those kids, could you ever vote Labour again? I couldn’t.
Yes a lot of damage was done.
ThroughThickAndThin01 · 06/05/2021 07:15

SundayBloodySunday. Because our local conservative MP is very visible and very involved positively in our local community. Because whilst I am not a Boris fan I think the vaccination programme has been first class; he has been following scientists advice in other areas in which he has faced criticism but Labour would have done the same, Labour under Corbyn was a shambles and laughable, he is (was) a deeply dangerous political figure, divisive and extreme in his opinions, I can’t believe the Labour Party allowed his rise to the top, so misjudged and as seen by the crashing election result for Labour. Labour missed out on the best leader they never had IMO David Miliband, I could get behind a Leader like him but no one has come close since.

ChubbyLittleManInACampervan · 06/05/2021 07:19

BJ is a womaniser, misogynistic too and has said lots of offensive things. Totally.

But Jeremy Corbyn was chums with the hard core left wing Venezuelan leaders, the type of left wing leaders who never leave and take away the freedom of their people as the people cannot be trusted . They gave them their “milk and honey” and then bankrupted the country.

Look at Venezuela now. Look at this country that was so ideal, according to JC

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 06/05/2021 07:26

I'm getting so tired of the tories = bad, Labour = good trope on here all the time too and I say that as a lifelong labour voter and former member. Its so much more complicated that that and I agree with a op who said it's sixth form level politics.

We have an absolutely atrocious government. Boris, Priti Patel, JRM, fucking hell what a shit show. We also have a diabolical opposition. They're pretty much as bad as each other. I'll give Starmer the credit as not being such a lying corrupt scumbag as Boris but that's a low benchmark isn't it?

I've been really disgusted with the cuts to overseas aid barely seems to get a mention on here though. One of the people who has spoken most fiercely against these cuts has been Andrew Mitchell, there has been plenty of criticism from within the Tory party on it. There are decent people within all parties, might be hard to find them amongst the Boris cronies and extreme left die-hards on the other side but they exist.

ClarkeGriffin · 06/05/2021 07:28

@19lottie82

I live in Scotland and a lot of people will vote for them to try and keep out the SNP. I’m voting labour to do the same in my constituency, but would both Tory over SNP, without a shadow of a doubt.
Yeah I would vote for them if it keeps out the bloody snp. My mp is blasting on about what a great job they've done. I'm not actually sure what impact they have had in the last few years, but it's been on nothing the locals have actually asked for. Despite that, they've got a safe seat and will be back in again to do nothing for another few years and get paid for it. Hmm

However I am politically homeless. I don't support anyone. No one is worth supporting. As someone else said, it's like choosing which way would you like to be executed.

newnortherner111 · 06/05/2021 07:34

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