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DH said DS is becoming a spoiled brat.

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NOTabrat · 03/05/2021 19:42

DH has tonight said our three year old is turning into a spoiled brat. Apparently, it's my fault because I let him get his own way. He even went as far as to say if we don't rein it in now he'll end up being the bully at school who gets expelled, smokes and takes drugs. AIBU to think it's bloody ridiculous to talk about a three year old like this?

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NOTabrat · 03/05/2021 21:00

And genuinely, I don't find DS hardwork. We enjoy our days together. We get up in the morning, potter in the kitchen, DS chooses his breakfast and helps make it. He likes getting the milk out of the fridge and helps me pour it out. I turned my back the other day and he'd got the orange juice out and accidentally split it. He said sorry and helped clear it up. He'll help me put a load of washing on. Then we'll get dressed and ready, no dramas.

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Pumperthepumper · 03/05/2021 21:00

It takes a few goes but they are developing that self control all the time as they grow and you are teaching them what you expect as you go. So by the time they are old enough to have control over their actions, they know what will happen if they don’t. Boundaries.

Except that’s not boundaries, that’s ‘Pavlovian response to punishment’.

Coldwine75 · 03/05/2021 21:01

Id say yes in some ways its normal 3 year old stuff but there is some lax parenting here and the dh has a point. Yes cuddle ' after' the time to think, not during. Just get the control now or you will have it so hard in a few years op

NOTabrat · 03/05/2021 21:03

And honestly I don't see what's wrong with him helping himself to food and drink. Why should he have to ask permission to eat or drink if he's hungry or thirsty?? Obviously, he shouldn't have unlimited access or be able to help himself to junk food. So, yes, I do need to move the crap food out of reach!

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NOTabrat · 03/05/2021 21:04

And I don't comfort him while he's being told off. I comfort him afterwards.

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HeckyPeck · 03/05/2021 21:06

@NOTabrat

DH said I'm too soft in general. Too soft on the cats as well because I'll delay getting up because I don't want to upset the cat by kicking him off my lap whilst he's sleeping! 🤣
HeckyCat is of the opinion that your DH is a fool who doesn't know that Lap is sacred. She suggests punishment via the biting of ankles. 😾

😁

babbaloushka · 03/05/2021 21:06

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I totally agree with this. Also withholding affection to punish a child is shitty parenting

It really is.

All these dimwit posters and their faux shock at the OP's son being cuddled to ease his distress I imagine don't realise they're the ones raising children to be fucked up when they're older.

Yup, and the kids I know who's parents took a hard line on discipline (charging them rent at 16, no chores no treats, no comfort after tantrums etc) are dealing with lots of resentment and discordant parental relationships. My dad is a softie, and always was, but he instilled good morals, led by example and let natural consequences take their course, supporting me emotionally as they did. My DM was the rule-setter when I was younger, but pragmatically, and I always, always knew I could turn to them for comfort after a stupid mistake- not for them to pick up the pieces, but to support me as a loved one.

Strict parents raise sneaky kids, and too harsh on the discipline and an unwillingness to show emotional support is a knife in the heart of a parent/child relationship. Wouldn't wish it on any poor child.

NOTabrat · 03/05/2021 21:06

And I don't want DS not to do something because the consequence of that is being shouted at. I want him not to do it because he understands why he shouldn't do it. I told him not to do something the other day while DH was at work and DS responded, "otherwise Daddy will be cross" and it really upset me.

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Loopylobes · 03/05/2021 21:07

Just think about what you're teaching him by your actions.

By stopping him helping himself, you are imposing clear boundaries. Children with clear boundaries feel more secure. They will sometimes choose to push the boundaries. It's important that this is an informed choice, i.e. they know where the boundaries are. They will do that less often if the response is always the same.

If you sometimes stand your ground when he cries and sometimes give in, he doesn't know where the boundaries lie and will therefore try harder to breach them.

If you say no and stand your ground, he will get upset. He doesn't need to be in trouble for getting upset. The message he needs to get is that crying won't change the boundaries. While he is learning this, his emotions may be overwhelming. It is very appropriate to offer sympathy, label his emotions for him and help him to learn to regulate them. This will teach him that his emotions are manageable and acceptable and he is still loved when he is upset.

Small children who learn that crying forces a parent to give them what they want are likely to continue that behaviour as they get older. However, he goes to nursery so he will have learned that different adults have different boundaries and crying only works with some of them. He won't have issues in school but your home life could be harder.

You're clearly a calm and caring parent who is very good at picking her battles. Your DH thinks that children should be punished into submission. It won't work and will make for a very unhappy childhood for your DS.

I would strongly suggest that you stop giving in because of crying. We all make mistakes sometimes and impose boundaries unfairly. If you do that, back down and explain but make sure you don't look for excuses to do that. As a previous poster said, learning to manage those negative emotions is realyl important for him and your job is to support him, not prevent him from experiencing them.

GlendaSugarbeanIsJudgingYou · 03/05/2021 21:08

Which is fine.

I mean, what are you supposed to say "Sorry, no you can't hug me"?

I can't believe anyone would say that to their upset child.

Coldwine75 · 03/05/2021 21:08

@NOTabrat

And honestly I don't see what's wrong with him helping himself to food and drink. Why should he have to ask permission to eat or drink if he's hungry or thirsty?? Obviously, he shouldn't have unlimited access or be able to help himself to junk food. So, yes, I do need to move the crap food out of reach!
He should ask, its teaching basic manners and respect......
Nohomemadecandles · 03/05/2021 21:10

Drink- I mostly agree with free access to water as long as you make sure he is getting enough- is 3 old enough to self regulate fluid intake?
Food, I think you might need to parent really, to an extent. It's a lot if responsibility for a toddler

Anydreamwilldo12 · 03/05/2021 21:10

You do sound a little bit soft in some regards OP but your DH sounds unreasonable shouting at a 2 year old and expecting him to sit in one room and play with his toys! Shouting at him repeatedly and saying stop whinging is not a nice way for a father to go on.
He should be allowed to wander into the kitchen as long as someone follows him to keep an eye. Sounds like your DH can't be bothered with following him to just keep an eye and wants to sit on his arse in the living room.
And I too wouldn't want to move if the cat was comfy.

Fuebombaa · 03/05/2021 21:11

Hmm at the poster suggesting a child should be able to free roam the kitchen... no you eat when you’re given food

NOTabrat · 03/05/2021 21:11

He has manners. He always says please and thank you. When we go to relatives houses he always asks and never helps himself but this is his home and I don't feel like he should have to ask to be able to have something to eat and drink in his own home. It just seems like unnecessary power and control over a three year old. Everyone has the right to eat and drink when they want in their own home.

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Coldwine75 · 03/05/2021 21:11

Can I add obv have a cup of water around / sports bottle or something but Id flip if my child at 3 helped themselves to ice creams from the freezer..............

babybythesea · 03/05/2021 21:11

[quote FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]@Coldwine75 but why does it have to be alone? To ignore and without affection from an emotionally immature person who is just out of babyhood is cruel.

When women tell us their DHs withhold affection as punishment we call it abuse. But we're supposed to believe it's good for the same to happen to a 3yo. Bullshit.[/quote]
It’s isn’t the same though. An adult knows how to behave, a child doesn’t. The root of the word ‘discipline’ means to learn, not to punish. An adult shouldn’t be disciplining their partner at all. A parent does need to discipline their child - it means you are teaching them.
If you simply talk to a 3 year old, they can’t fully process the words - they don’t have the maturity. Hugging them essentially tells them that what they have just done isn’t that bad, because you aren’t annoyed. Your words may say that but you are sending mixed messages.
Your partner could certainly process when your are talking to them. Your toddler doesn’t so much.

Time alone is a consequence- you’ve done something, now I want a moment’s space from you. Literally a moment, not hours and hours.

In a couple of years time, if they hit, do they think, I know I shouldn’t because she says I shouldn’t but she still hugs so whatever.... it’s not like the words bother me....

I understand what you are saying, and I’m not advocating punitive measure because it all has to be age appropriate but there has to be firmness, and guidance, and an understanding from the child of when they have gone too far and what will happen then.

Because we’ve all watched people chasing their child, sometimes not even a toddler, saying “Remember we use kind hands” while the child whacks anything and everything and everyone in sight, thinking “Your words say kind hands, but your actions and tone of voice say “I don’t really care what you do darling...”

HerMammy · 03/05/2021 21:12

I did raise my eyebrows at ‘free will’ allowing a 3 yr old to do as he pleases ie helping himself to food and screaming and kicking at leaving the park is not ideal. He is ruling the roost and mummy allows it, I’m with your DH.

Sceptre86 · 03/05/2021 21:13

Your dh isn't happy with his behaviour and you aren't on the same page with parenting. I would definitely work on that as a team. At age 2 kids do have tantrums and people make allowances for that not so much as they get older. Kids do need firm boundaries and you don't seem to have many. I would find it naughty of one of my preschoolers were told they couldn't have anymore chocolate and went to get some more. Not saying that this will mean he is going to end up in a downward spiral but as a mum you need to get a bit firmer. My ds is 3 nearly 4 and we most definitely had the tantrum phase, I would check that he wasn't in any immediate danger and then leave him to it no attention but at no point would I tolerate throwing things around.

LolaSmiles · 03/05/2021 21:13

Mowly75 Have you seen the list called 'Reasons My Toddler Is Crying?
It's an accurate representation of toddler life. It includes things like They don'twant to go, even though I've told them repeatedly that we aren't going anywhere and someone ate their snacks...hint, it was them. Grin

NOTabrat · 03/05/2021 21:14

Yes, obviously, I agreed he shouldn't be helping himself to ice creams from the freezer and he was told no and the ice cream was taken away. He also has a drinks bottle that's always filled with water but sometimes when he finishes it, he'll toddle off into the kitchen and try and refill it himself from the kitchen tap. I'll follow him and make sure he's okay. And again, with food, if he wants an apple out of the fruit bowl, he's free to go and help himself.

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thinkIamdone · 03/05/2021 21:14

Maybe compromise on the chocolate button stealing, and nip such behaviour in the bud, but you sound a typical mum with a typical 3 yo.

iminthegarden · 03/05/2021 21:15

3 year olds often seem like this, acknowledge this as a partnership and work together to move on. Tell him to focus in the negatives, your child will pass this age and most likely be a lovely older child

Coldwine75 · 03/05/2021 21:15

@NOTabrat

He has manners. He always says please and thank you. When we go to relatives houses he always asks and never helps himself but this is his home and I don't feel like he should have to ask to be able to have something to eat and drink in his own home. It just seems like unnecessary power and control over a three year old. Everyone has the right to eat and drink when they want in their own home.
No not at 3 they dont, they have to be taught to ask! Yes a drink of water always around fine, but no no no to helping themselves in the kitchen at 3, good grief
sadpapercourtesan · 03/05/2021 21:15

hmm at the poster suggesting a child should be able to free roam the kitchen... no you eat when you’re given food

Surely you realise that not every family functions this way? Many parents believe it is better for children to have free access to food and drink within reason. Mine had their own minifridge in the kitchen from a very young age, and could help themselves to that/the fruit bowl/bread etc if they were hungry. They both have a healthy relationship with food and only eat when they are hungry, which was the desired effect.