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DH said DS is becoming a spoiled brat.

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NOTabrat · 03/05/2021 19:42

DH has tonight said our three year old is turning into a spoiled brat. Apparently, it's my fault because I let him get his own way. He even went as far as to say if we don't rein it in now he'll end up being the bully at school who gets expelled, smokes and takes drugs. AIBU to think it's bloody ridiculous to talk about a three year old like this?

OP posts:
HeckyPeck · 03/05/2021 20:37

See, I think it's DH that has the problem with feelings. DH will shout at him and tell him no, for example. DS will naturally cry about it because it's made him sad and angry. I will then comfort him and tell him it's okay to be upset and cry. Whereas, DH would just shout at him more and tell him to stop whinging and crying. And I think that invalidates his feelings and makes him feel like he isn't allowed to express his sadness and upset.

So would a scenario be something like the following:

DS is annoyed about something and throws his cup
DH shouts "No! That's naughty!"
DS cries.
You cuddle him and say it's ok to be upset?

3AndStopping · 03/05/2021 20:37

Or. We have been there, done that, got the t-shirt, learned from our mistakes and raised children for more than 2 or 3 years. It's quite arrogant to say I have toddlers, I have all the answers, ignore other posters opinions.

I’m not pretending to have all the answers, I know nothing about parenting teenagers or preteens but I’m fairly well adjusted with toddlers now.

Parents I have noticed in general can look back with rose tinted specs & think their children didn’t do things they probably did, are full of advice and quick fixes that worked for them instantly!

So I’m just saying, to someone parenting toddlers right now in the moment these things are not a big deal & certainly not unusual. IMO, anyway.

babybythesea · 03/05/2021 20:37

The behaviour is perfectly normal. What you need to look carefully at is your response.

You commented that you didn’t like to see him sad so if he cried when you said no, then you changed your mind. How often? Be honest with yourself as it’s you and your son who will be affected, not us. If that happens once in a blue moon, fine. We have all done it occasionally. If it’s every time he cries, then that’s an issue as he will learn that throwing a tantrum gets him his own way. Which is not something that will endear him to teachers or friends later on. My rule of thumb was to ask myself “If I say no, and they have a fit, do I care enough to dig my heels in and see the tantrum through?” If the issue isn’t a big deal to me in the first place, then why not just say yes to begin with and save us all the angst?! (Can I wear fancy dress to the shops? I might initially have said no but really, I don’t care, so actually let’s just skip the no and the tantrum and go straight to yes. Compared to: Can I draw on that car with this stone? Nope, and the answer will still be no even if you are blue in the face from screaming!) That tactic meant my kids knew that when I said no, I meant it and there was no point in arguing, but that there was a reason and as they get older, we talk about those reasons.

Cuddles after being naughty? How long after? Immediately- not so good. It’s a bit mixed message if he’s being told off and cuddled kind of simultaneously, or if he’s not getting told off at all for being naughty - how does he learn? But telling off, a minute or two ‘out’ - not to think about it exactly but to reinforce that you aren’t pleased, and then a hug to reassure him you still love him? Great. No problem.

I’m not a Supernanny fan exactly, but she did put one thing quite well. Imagine you started a new job, but no one tells you what is expected of you, or points out where you are making mistakes, so you really aren’t sure what is going on or what will bring you rewards or a disciplinary action. It would be very confusing and upsetting. You want to know what you are expected to do, and you want to know what the ‘rules’ are, and what the consequences will be if you don’t follow them. That’s children. Free will, exploration etc - all good, but there needs to be some clear and consistent boundaries too, so they know where they are and they know what to expect. Your boundaries don’t have to be the same as anyone else’s but your child needs to know where your lines in the sand are, and what will happen if they cross them. You need to be consistent in showing him. He will feel so much more secure if he knows ‘I can do this, but not that, and if I do that Mummy and Daddy will do this..’
He will push them, that is normal, and that is where it is your job to be calm and consistent.

You may well be doing all of this already. I can’t tell and nor can anyone else on here. If he behaves at nursery he clearly can behave. He will push it more with you. Because he feels safest with you. He is little but not too little to know that certain things are not ok. You do need to work out with DH though what you want, because if things are muddled your son will be confused and your marriage will be under strain.

Coldwine75 · 03/05/2021 20:37

Well you are one of those let your kids do anything what to you expect......they need boundaries ! Not too late to do something about it now as only 3..................

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 03/05/2021 20:38

@NOTabrat

So, okay, I may let him get away with minor things but NO WAY do I tolerate being unkind, violence, nastiness, or anything in the same vein. I teach him to share, be kind and thoughtful and polite. He always says please and thank you. He really is a lovely little boy. If a little bit spoiled by his Mum.

Also, if it makes a difference, DS is DHs fifth child. DS is my first and only child.

You're doing an excellent job. Your son sounds lovely.
Coldwine75 · 03/05/2021 20:39

With the cuddles if naughty - ok if he's been put in time out for 3/4 mins, then demand an apology and then cuddle. Been there, done it !

SnuggyBuggy · 03/05/2021 20:39

Your comment about the kitchen makes me think you need to do more childproofing. He's not going to have great impulse control at his age.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 03/05/2021 20:40

Why can't the OP cuddle her son without also having a chat about how "we don't do X because of Y". Why can't time out be on her knee? We are designed to feel a connection with other humans and flourish emotionally with those human connections

MargaretThursday · 03/05/2021 20:40

Quite, and I'm yet to see a 3year old mature enough to emotionally manipulate others.

When I was 3yo I was in hospital. Dm wasn't allowed to stay and had to go when the night nurse arrived. I remember very clearly deciding I was going to make sure she stayed until the very last minute. Every time dm got up I stood up and cried loudly. When she eventually got told she had to go by the night nurse, I remember thinking "thank goodness. I wish they'd told her to go sooner." I knew full well that I had to cry to keep dm there. Poor dm.

Another story is from my sister. She was 3yo, and there was a powercut. Dm asked her what she'd like for lunch; she asked for a boiled egg. Dm got out the camping stove, and boiled her an egg. She remembers feeling very cross because she didn't want a boiled egg, she wanted to throw a temper about not having a boiled egg and she'd expected to be told that she couldn't have one because of the power cut.

We weren't particularly manipulative children on the whole, but, yes, 3yos can be manipulative.

NOTabrat · 03/05/2021 20:41

@Coldwine75

Well you are one of those let your kids do anything what to you expect......they need boundaries ! Not too late to do something about it now as only 3..................
I don't let him do anything.
OP posts:
24GinDrinkingOnceTheKidsInBed · 03/05/2021 20:41

I’m with your DH. Behaviour is learned, and what he’s learning at the moment is if dad says, ask mum she’ll say yes if I shed a few tears.

Plus; it’s going to become really exhausting for your DH to try and set boundaries for your DD if you’re just going to contradict him all the time.

Get on the same disciplinary page, that’s the best place to start.

Hankunamatata · 03/05/2021 20:41

You do realise you are completely undermining his dad when you cuddle ds after he is told off by his dad. You are giving the child mixed messages

Pumperthepumper · 03/05/2021 20:41

Imagine you started a new job, but no one tells you what is expected of you, or points out where you are making mistakes, so you really aren’t sure what is going on or what will bring you rewards or a disciplinary action. It would be very confusing and upsetting. You want to know what you are expected to do, and you want to know what the ‘rules’ are, and what the consequences will be if you don’t follow them. That’s children. Free will, exploration etc - all good, but there needs to be some clear and consistent boundaries too, so they know where they are and they know what to expect. Your boundaries don’t have to be the same as anyone else’s but your child needs to know where your lines in the sand are, and what will happen if they cross them. You need to be consistent in showing him. He will feel so much more secure if he knows ‘I can do this, but not that, and if I do that Mummy and Daddy will do this..’He will push them, that is normal, and that is where it is your job to be calm and consistent.

That’s not an exact analogy though because it assumes a three year old has the same level of control over their emotions as an adult. So he might know the logic of ‘throwing cup equals bad’ but he doesn’t yet have the emotional control to think that before he does it.

So when we punish a three year old, we’re not changing that behaviour, it’s already happened. A better way to deal with it is to say ‘no, we don’t throw, pick it up please’ over ‘right, you threw that, go and sit on a step alone for a period of time I’ve decided, that you have no concept of, or control over, just because’.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 03/05/2021 20:41

@Onesnowynight

Judging by the brief overview you’ve given I’m with dh on this one......
Me too^ Listen to your DH.
Coldwine75 · 03/05/2021 20:41

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

Why can't the OP cuddle her son without also having a chat about how "we don't do X because of Y". Why can't time out be on her knee? We are designed to feel a connection with other humans and flourish emotionally with those human connections
Time is time alone, no attention, no interation, then after the time , apologise and as they realise they get rewarded with a hug after..............not rocket science
Confusedandshaken · 03/05/2021 20:41

Changing your mind about something because the child cries or throws a tantrum is not just bad parenting it's unkind. Children need to have boundaries to feel secure. Teaching them that they can manipulate adults by acting out is detrimental to their development.

EbbandTheWanderingHearts · 03/05/2021 20:41

@allFrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop no of course I don't expect a 3 year old to behave like a 10 year old. I'm just saying if a 3 year old isn't taught how to behave then how do you deal with the negative behaviour when they get older? I have seen 10 years have temper tantrums because they haven't been given boundaries as toddlers. That said, I don't think DS sounds like a spoilt brat. It sounds like normal behaviour for a rising 3 year old. OP and her DH need to be on the same page though and be consistent in setting and implementing boundaries.

MarcelinesMa · 03/05/2021 20:42

Your son sounds like a normal toddler to me and your husband is being a massive drama queen. Your toddler son pushing boundaries and having tantrums does not equal a school bully on 40 a day, with a drug/alcohol habit who gets expelled from school Hmm

I’d also be very Hmm at the husband telling me that if child turns into juvenile delinquent it would be all my fault, nothing to do with him seeing as we’d be raising the kid together. Cheeky git.

sadpapercourtesan · 03/05/2021 20:42

I'm not much for demanding apologies either, to be honest. I think apologies are worth more if they're freely given.

But then I'm probably a grungy attachmenty namby-pamby lentil muncher whose children are destined for Borstal Grin

OP isn't ignoring poor behaviour. She disciplines her son in an age-appropriate manner. She also comforts him when he needs it and allows him to feel and express his emotions. This is healthy and positive.

Hankunamatata · 03/05/2021 20:42

Try the incredible years programme togther as parents. Get you and dh on same page

BetterKateThanNever · 03/05/2021 20:42

@LolaSmiles

BetterKateThanNever But you can teach them that if they (insert behaviour here) then (insert outcome here).

So a child can easily learn that if they want a particular outcome then they do A B C and mummy will give in, and in turn learn that if daddy says no, run to mummy and turn the water works on and you'll get what you want.

There's no unity between the OP and her DH. How is a toddler meant to learn what is acceptable and not in their house if one parent says one thing and the other contradicts them?

Oh of course, but you can't spoil a child, a child can never be too loved. But i agree that absolutely good behaviour can be taught and reinforced.
Pumperthepumper · 03/05/2021 20:43

@MargaretThursday

Quite, and I'm yet to see a 3year old mature enough to emotionally manipulate others.

When I was 3yo I was in hospital. Dm wasn't allowed to stay and had to go when the night nurse arrived. I remember very clearly deciding I was going to make sure she stayed until the very last minute. Every time dm got up I stood up and cried loudly. When she eventually got told she had to go by the night nurse, I remember thinking "thank goodness. I wish they'd told her to go sooner." I knew full well that I had to cry to keep dm there. Poor dm.

Another story is from my sister. She was 3yo, and there was a powercut. Dm asked her what she'd like for lunch; she asked for a boiled egg. Dm got out the camping stove, and boiled her an egg. She remembers feeling very cross because she didn't want a boiled egg, she wanted to throw a temper about not having a boiled egg and she'd expected to be told that she couldn't have one because of the power cut.

We weren't particularly manipulative children on the whole, but, yes, 3yos can be manipulative.

It’s sad you see being three, in hospital, and wanting your mum as ‘manipulative’.
24GinDrinkingOnceTheKidsInBed · 03/05/2021 20:43

Sorry my post is missing a ‘no’ and meant to say DS but changes to DD as I have one Grin

KarmaStar · 03/05/2021 20:43

Sorry but your dh is correct.
Your son needs boundaries,you are doing nobody any favours here.

Frezia · 03/05/2021 20:43

I also want to add that to be consistent about boundaries you have to become comfortable with saying no. Parenting shows us up, parents who have problems setting effective limits are often people who have problem in general with saying no to others and let their boundaries be crossed, then feel used. By setting effective limits you model to your child that it's important to have personal boundaries and to say no to people who try to cross them.

There's a book by a wonderful Danish child psychologist Jesper Juul called "No! The art of saying no with a clear conscience" which I found really helpful, I fully recommend it, or any other book by him really.

And also, I don't think your DS sounds much different than other toddlers, and certainly not damaged. Mine also went through a phase of throwing things and even hitting. But what really matters is how you deal with it.

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