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AIBU to groan inwardly every time an extrovert says ‘the more the merrier’?

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PromisingMiddleagedWoman · 29/04/2021 20:05

Just that really. I tend towards being an introvert (though not to an extreme I don’t think) and really enjoy meeting up with one, two, maybe three friends at a time. I find groups of this size manageable and the conversation flows well.

In groups bigger than this I tend to struggle and to automatically go into ‘listening mode’ rather than joining in the conversation properly. Totally my issue I know. But I do get frustrated when I arrange to meet a couple of NCT friends at a soft play for example (pre Covid!) and when we get there one of them has invited a few other mums she knows through nursery. She then blithely says ‘the more the merrier!’ and there’s (to me anyway) awkward conversations as the two groups don’t really gel, and people can’t have the conversations they really want to have as that would exclude some people.

And you can’t object to ‘the more the merrier’ without coming across as though you don’t like the other people who have been added! Plus it’s genuinely not a case of me not liking the additional people, more that for me it negatively affects the group dynamics.

Of course there are social gatherings that are large and that’s absolutely fine, as long as I know that’s going to be the case. If I’m going to a party or a wedding or whatever I can mentally prepare for it, and though I find it hard work and pretty tiring I usually enjoy them.

I guess my gripe is when it doesn’t even cross the mind of extroverted friends to think that inviting additional people to a small meet-up can affect introverted people in this way. Do any other introverts ever feel like this?

OP posts:
CoRhona · 29/04/2021 20:14

As an extrovert, if I say 'the more the merrier' while gaily inviting all and sundry, it means I don't get decent conversation from current company!

Merename · 29/04/2021 20:17

I feel the same OP. And I think I am fairly extrovert, it depends on the situation. But I just feel at a stage in my life where I can’t be arsed with small chat! I want to invest in a handful of people I care about and not spend time talking surface level shite with people I don’t feel that comfortable with. A WhatsApp group of 3 female pals recently got expanded to add more, and partners, and for me it’s just ruined it, I’d never say half the things I would when just 3 of us.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 29/04/2021 20:20

Yes I think the least they can do is ask beforehand, and be willing to take no for an answer without resentment.

StillRailing · 29/04/2021 20:22

I ended up meeting with one or two people.

If you don't enjoy it you don't have to do it.

OwlBeThere · 29/04/2021 20:24

@CoRhona so you’re implying that the OP is at fault because other people are thoughtless and not thinking about their own comfort?

@PromisingMiddleagedWoman I’m very introverted but also very social when I’m in the mood for people so it doesn’t bother me there being larger groups, but I think it’s pretty rude to invite anyone else along without running it past the people you were going with anyway!

CoRhona · 29/04/2021 20:26

@OwlBeThere not sure where you have extrapolated that from Hmm but no, what I said was the conversation wasn't great - hence the need for more people Wink

Holly60 · 29/04/2021 20:26

I’m sure you don’t realise how utterly self centred your post comes across as. When I invite extra people to a non-exclusive venue it’s because I think they will enjoy it and I don’t want them to feel left out/lonely/on their own. Would you really rather they stayed at home on their own because it makes you feel a bit awkward?? I hate hate hate the feeling of being left out of fun enjoyable events - when someone says ‘oh well if you are free why don’t you come along - THE MORE THE MERRIER’ I could kiss them Smile

purplebagladylovesgin · 29/04/2021 20:31

I feel exactly the same. I had a friend who'd invite anyone she'd bumped into if we were going out for the day. What should have been the two of us plus children turned into mass gatherings of up to 10 mums and 20+ children.

After a few happenings i said to her; I'll just wait and see you another time when it's just us.

I have autistic children that couldn't cope with the extra influx of people so it really didn't help.

After the third time and about a month of not being able to meet up, I think the penny dropped and she started asking if I minded her inviting x,y & z. This gave me the opportunity to say yes actually, I do and this is why.

StrawberrySquash · 29/04/2021 20:33

Not unreasonable to be sad. Changing the group does change the dynamic. Sometimes it's the right thing to do, but that doesn't change the fact that the dynamic won't be the same.

MunchyCat · 29/04/2021 20:37

I'm exactly the same. In groups of more than 6 or so I just shut down.

Neither extroverts or introverts are wrong, they just feel things differently. I don't go to "the more the merrier" type things. I don't want to make more new friends. I barely have time to see my close existing friends.

It's fine at weddings and things where it's groups of different people all in the same place, but I'm not keen on big bbqs/house parties/going out and about in bigger groups. I just dont enjoy it.

Holly60 · 29/04/2021 20:38

@purplebagladylovesgin

I feel exactly the same. I had a friend who'd invite anyone she'd bumped into if we were going out for the day. What should have been the two of us plus children turned into mass gatherings of up to 10 mums and 20+ children.

After a few happenings i said to her; I'll just wait and see you another time when it's just us.

I have autistic children that couldn't cope with the extra influx of people so it really didn't help.

After the third time and about a month of not being able to meet up, I think the penny dropped and she started asking if I minded her inviting x,y & z. This gave me the opportunity to say yes actually, I do and this is why.

...it’s interesting you say ‘had’
OwlBeThere · 29/04/2021 20:40

@CoRhona, you said you do it when the people already there aren’t ‘decent company’. Which implies you think the op isn’t decent company.

OwlBeThere · 29/04/2021 20:44

@Holly60 is one person feeling included better than the person who was already feeling awkward and uncomfortable and not enjoying themselves? I don’t know that it is. If you want a more the merrier type situation then you need to check the people already going are ok with that.

Veryverycalmnow · 29/04/2021 20:49

I feel like turning around and going home when I'm all set for a nice easy conversation with a friend and turn up and they have brought someone else along. Worse still if it becomes a gathering. I find conversations with new people difficult. I don't mind too much if I know in advance. I get it OP.

HereLiveIAmNotACat · 29/04/2021 20:53

I am a ‘more the merrier’ type person. Groups of only 1 or 2 give me massive anxiety and I much prefer larger groups where I can blend into the background if needed and have more options of conversations in case I feel socially anxious. I also hate to think I am excluding anybody.

Swings and roundabouts

Warrickdaviesasplates · 29/04/2021 20:57

@Holly60

I’m sure you don’t realise how utterly self centred your post comes across as. When I invite extra people to a non-exclusive venue it’s because I think they will enjoy it and I don’t want them to feel left out/lonely/on their own. Would you really rather they stayed at home on their own because it makes you feel a bit awkward?? I hate hate hate the feeling of being left out of fun enjoyable events - when someone says ‘oh well if you are free why don’t you come along - THE MORE THE MERRIER’ I could kiss them Smile
But surely you wouldn't feel left out if it's a gathering of people you don't know?

The op says she arranged to do things with a couple of NCT friends and one shows up with a load of women she knows through nursery, couldn't that friend have just arranged a separate activity for nursery mums?

Forcing two unconnected groups together does change the dynamic and if you are slightly more introverted or shy it can really make you feel out of the activity that you were looking forward to.

Holly60 · 29/04/2021 20:59

[quote OwlBeThere]@Holly60 is one person feeling included better than the person who was already feeling awkward and uncomfortable and not enjoying themselves? I don’t know that it is. If you want a more the merrier type situation then you need to check the people already going are ok with that.[/quote]
But the whole premise of the post is that it’s lots of people who have been told to come along. So it’s not just about one vs one. It’s one person feeling a bit awkward vs lots of people having a lovely time. I would argue it’s the one person feeling (unnecessarily) awkward who has the problem

traumatisednoodle · 29/04/2021 21:05

If it's a soft play (so a public space) then of course YABU, you can't exclude people from public spaces. If she invited random strangers to your house for lunch then yes of course. If you want some one on one time you don't go to soft play/ playground/ baby groups - surely you go to each other's homes ?

Holly60 · 29/04/2021 21:06

@Warrickdaviesasplates but why would extra people there make you feel left out of the activity? Surely you would just get on and do the activity and chat to the people you wanted to chat to? Having extra people there might mean that your friends might have a little less one on one time for you, but surely that’s not the total end of the world??

Holly60 · 29/04/2021 21:08

And yes if my friend said oh ‘I’m going to such and such’ (in a public place) and I replied ‘oh that sounds interesting’, followed by an awkward silence, I would feel a bit left out!

CoRhona · 29/04/2021 21:09

[quote OwlBeThere]@CoRhona, you said you do it when the people already there aren’t ‘decent company’. Which implies you think the op isn’t decent company.[/quote]
No...I said, and I quote myself, "if I say [the more the merrier]... ..."it means I don't get decent conversation..."

And it would really be the tiniest world if the op and I were talking about each other Grin

AmazingGrapes · 29/04/2021 21:09

@PromisingMiddleagedWoman I had never even thought of it from this perspective and I think I’m guilty of this... and you’re totally right, more often than not adding more people doesn’t make it better for anyone concerned. Food for thought! Great post, thank you

Holly60 · 29/04/2021 21:11

Also I’ve got to tell you all that if someone ‘changes the dynamic’ by inviting lots of people, it’s because they wanted to. Therefore although you might be all set for some one on one time, that person might be finding it all a bit intense (or boring Shock)

PromisingMiddleagedWoman · 29/04/2021 21:12

Some very mixed responses!

@HereLiveIAmNotACat that’s a really interesting perspective. I’m fascinated that you find a smaller number of people more anxiety-inducing than bigger groups, as it’s so opposite to how I feel.

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Bluntness100 · 29/04/2021 21:12

This thread is the opposite of the ones of “I’m so lonely and no one asks me anywhere, I see them all go out and they don’t think to invite me”

Maybe next time someone objects to others coming as it ruins your clique you maybe think of those who are glad of the invite.

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