To wonder what it is about “no overnight stays till 17 May” that is so hard to understand?

[HaveringWavering]

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

I think you're a fool if you think 17 May will be any different to 16 May or today. I'm not suggesting using that logic to say that you could stay over in January when cases were through the roof but I personally dgaf unless people have symptoms and should be self isolating.

Eh?

Some people have never worked from home.

I was talking about my own colleagues @Doghead.

My friend and her dad followed the rules for a year. He was shielding so they were very careful. In the end he died, not from Covid. He spent his entire last year miserable and then it wasn't Covid that killed him anyway.

@murbblurb

a large percentage of the UK population (and those on here) are fuckwits as the responses show. Expecting absolute answers, and chucking the toys when they don't get their own way.

we aren't even supposed to be in each other's houses until May 17th, when hopefully cases will have dropped sufficiently to reduce the risk of spreading it, and more will be vaccinated. It is deliberately timed to avoid one bank holiday and to allow for the post infection time lag. Dates have to be set although they can change.

We all want to see our families. None of us wanted this pandemic.

whilst I agree that the lack of resilience in England has been an embarrassment, especially compared to other countries who did face real hardship, I honestly don't think there are many risks now.

The rates didn't increase when the schools opened, the rates didn't move when people went on holiday and had overnight stays at Easter, the rates didn't move when pubs and restaurants reopened, when people were allowed gathering "in the garden" (so obviously everyone went inside anyway!).

I can understand the government trying to keep a bit of order and lot allowing a free for all (rules will be broken, but proportionally, same as the speed limit!) but if there was a real risk, we would be on lockdown!

Oh good, I was a bit worried that all these threads would be over now that things are getting a bit better.
So glad to know that there are still people willing to post this sort of stuff, Such fun!

@murbblurb

a large percentage of the UK population (and those on here) are fuckwits as the responses show. Expecting absolute answers, and chucking the toys when they don't get their own way.

we aren't even supposed to be in each other's houses until May 17th, when hopefully cases will have dropped sufficiently to reduce the risk of spreading it, and more will be vaccinated. It is deliberately timed to avoid one bank holiday and to allow for the post infection time lag. Dates have to be set although they can change.

We all want to see our families. None of us wanted this pandemic.

Most of the people replying on this thread are not the ones throwing toys out of the pram. Most people are saying 'live and let live'. I don't see how it's fuckwitted to say "I'm not breaking the rules but I'm also not going to shame people who have assessed the risks in their personal circumstances and made a decision to suit themselves/their family"

The rates are low at the moment ( I think September low, rather than August low compared with last year) however if too much mixing happens before younger people are vaccinated, rates will increase exponentially again which gives much more chance for new variants to develop and spread. We need to sit on things and keep things low for just enough time for enough people to get vaccinated. Vaccines could be way less effective against new variants which is why we have to stop them having a chance to develop.

For those saying "what difference does two weeks make?". It gives enough time for the effects of the previous bit of lifting rules to be measured and analysed to check that things aren't starting to go upward again before opening up the next things.
If too many people just feel they've had enough and start closer mixing too quickly it could prolong things further by starting a new wave with a new harder to control variant.
It isn't only about the risks to individuals which may be quite small but the summative effect of thousands of small risks from people doing their own thing.

@FatAnneTheDealer

It is the law that is shameful, and the pre vaccination briefing is BS.

Bad laws ought to be broken.

Don't push it, have you looked at India recently?

17 May has been picked because it's 5 weeks after the last set of restrictions were lifted. There is nothing that will magically change and be different to 16 May

Bad laws ought to be broken.

We have legislative process to change laws with which we disagree. Fortunately “I thought it was a bad law” won’t win the day in Court.

No. If the govt announced tonight that the rules had changed it would be due to a reassessment of the risk.

You've a lot of faith in the government

People capable of doing their own risk assessments have realised whether they pose a threat to others or not. I will visit fully vaccinated elderly family members and stay over with partially vaccinated family who have been WFH throughout the year. The need of the elderly people to see family after a year in almost total isolation is far greater than the risk of contracting or passing Covid on to anyone.

@5zeds

Everyone I know is following the rules. The only rule breakers I know are described on threads like this on MN.

Does it occur to you out of the people you “know” maybe they’re not telling you? I haven’t exactly broadcast that I’ve not been strictly keeping to them!

@shouldistop

My friend and her dad followed the rules for a year. He was shielding so they were very careful. In the end he died, not from Covid. He spent his entire last year miserable and then it wasn't Covid that killed him anyway.

That's heartbreaking to read, I'm so sorry for your friend. We're at a funeral tomorrow for a relative that never met our son due to covid rules. I'm so over being good for the betterment of everyone else when no one seems to give a crap about what's happening to those dying of anything other than covid.

@murbblurb

a large percentage of the UK population (and those on here) are fuckwits as the responses show. Expecting absolute answers, and chucking the toys when they don't get their own way.

we aren't even supposed to be in each other's houses until May 17th, when hopefully cases will have dropped sufficiently to reduce the risk of spreading it, and more will be vaccinated. It is deliberately timed to avoid one bank holiday and to allow for the post infection time lag. Dates have to be set although they can change.

We all want to see our families. None of us wanted this pandemic.

No we're not fuckwits, we just have a different opinion of what makes a fuckwit sense.

If I'm twice vaccinated and so are my parents then I'm going to their house and I'm not going to sweat it. Even Van Tam agrees there's very little to no risk.

@HaveringWavering

Eh?

Some people have never worked from home.

I was talking about my own colleagues @Doghead.

Aaaah......so your post is personal. You're pissed at someone in particular.

I still care - these people are the reason I haven’t hugged my parents in over a year

@shouldistop

No. If the govt announced tonight that the rules had changed it would be due to a reassessment of the risk.

You've a lot of faith in the government

And if this was on basis of a science, would you then have faith in it?

@RedcurrantPuff I think op is specifically talking about households mixing though. Which is definitely not legal here and overnight stays away from home have only been allowed since Monday.

@PattyPan

I still care - these people are the reason I haven’t hugged my parents in over a year

Are you or your parents in a higher risk category?

Aaaah......so your post is personal. You're pissed at someone in particular.

I was struck by how many people at work have been happily talking publicly about their unlawful plans.

No. If the govt announced tonight that the rules had changed it would be due to a reassessment of the risk.

And your colleagues have obviously assessed their personal risk and decided it's ok for them 🤷‍♀️.
Mind your own business and let them be.

Ahhhh you are what's known as a jobsworth.

Yabu for pathetic Covid shaming.

Totally agree bad laws should be broken. ‘Legislative process for changing them’ a bit like the one for making them in the first place then.

At least this shitshow has signalled to me who is worth catching up with in the future.