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Original poster

To wonder what it is about “no overnight stays till 17 May” that is so hard to understand?

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HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 16:22

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

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RockingMyFiftiesNot · 30/04/2021 09:39

I've pretty well stuck to the rules for most of the year have been frustrated at those who have consistently thought they were above the law. But I have sympathy with people who work full time who haven't seen family for over a year using the Bank Holiday to go visit. Not sure how much will change risk-wise in the next 2 weeks, especially when people have been vaccinated. Yes, it's breaking the rules but I do understand why.
Most people will wait til the 2nd Bank Holiday when it is allowed, and the risks from the hellish volume of traffic would put me off.

It also doesn't help that the current rules are contradictory - someone had a go at me because I travelled 40 miles for a walk last week , when we are supposed to be minimising travel . Yet the rules now allow people to go on a self-catering holidays. However you interpret 'minimising travel', there's no difference between a holiday and a walk for well-being.

Elphame · 30/04/2021 09:41

@Eilethya

Does this crazy lack of critical thinking and blind following of authority remind anybody of The Milgram Experiment but on a national scale?

I can't wait to read the reports on social behaviour in 20 years time Grin

Very much so.

I see a lot of PhDs earned on the back of the psychology of 2020 and 2021.

Assuming of course they are still allowed academic freedom by then.

HelloMissus · 30/04/2021 09:41

School bubbles are not going to stop bursting in 2 weeks time.
To quote Rick Grimes - this is how we live now.

TheKeatingFive · 30/04/2021 09:41

so that's those three classes of 9/10 year olds stuck isolating at home for ten days and homeschooling fun

We’re never going to get to zero COVID and particularly not among a non vaccinated under 16 population, so this kind of thing will, unfortunately, be a way of life for a while, regardless of what people do.

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HaveringWavering · 30/04/2021 09:45

[quote ravelston]@HaveringWavering, you actually questioned grown adults about their plans then advised them of yours in order to make yourself seem superior?
As I said I've been following the rules but I'd never question someone else's plans, absolutely none of my business.
You must be in a very fortunate position if all you have to worry about is what others are doing and questioning their lack of shame [/quote]
They were the ones that announced their plans. I said that we were not doing similar because we were waiting until it was legal. If that gave any of them pause for thought then great. I’m not bothered what they as individuals think about my opinion. I am bothered that the majority of people in the country are ignoring the rules, and it has been very depressing to read the responses here that confirm that my colleagues’ views reflect those of the majority.

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StillRailing · 30/04/2021 09:46

I'm not going into indoor stuffy cafes right now and that IS allowed.
So it's a false idea that if you break one rule you are all into the covid spreading.

I bet a lot of visits would be covered by emotional support for elderly or others tbh. Face to face contact with loved ones is essential for most. (Or religious hermits get kudos for nothing much at all.)

StillRailing · 30/04/2021 09:48

There will be no medals awarded for suffering to be the perfect citizen.

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HaveringWavering · 30/04/2021 09:49

I feel a bit like I did when I woke up and found that we had voted for Brexit- surprised and massively disappointed in the intelligence of the U.K. population.

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osbertthesyrianhamster · 30/04/2021 09:50

If that gave any of them pause for thought then great.

The only pause for thought it probably gave them is to inwardly roll their eyes.

I don't trust anything about this government.

As for 'don't hug your loved ones just yet'. Please.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 30/04/2021 09:51

@HaveringWavering

I feel a bit like I did when I woke up and found that we had voted for Brexit- surprised and massively disappointed in the intelligence of the U.K. population.
Right. So everyone is morally and intellectually inferior to you. Well, you're the one who's bothered.
Temp023 · 30/04/2021 09:57

Oh dear, I break Covid rules so I must have voted for Brexit.. my membership for QAnon is lost in the post obviously. ..

ravelston · 30/04/2021 09:59

@HaveringWavering
If that gave them pause for thought then great
Why do you think your opinion would matter a jot to them? Do you really think that you're so superior to others that your opinion is of any interest to them.

TheKeatingFive · 30/04/2021 09:59

I feel a bit like I did when I woke up and found that we had voted for Brexit- surprised and massively disappointed in the intelligence of the U.K. population.

Right so your fellow men are stupid and a huge disappointment to you. Super. Now that you've come to this realisation I suggest you get on with your life. Your high handed judgement is literally the last thing that's going to change their minds.

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HaveringWavering · 30/04/2021 10:00

@Temp023

Oh dear, I break Covid rules so I must have voted for Brexit.. my membership for QAnon is lost in the post obviously. ..
Nope, I am disappointed in both Brexiteers and Covid rule breakers but I did not say that they were one and the same. They can’t be- poll says 67% don’t give a shit about Covid rules.
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RockingMyFiftiesNot · 30/04/2021 10:00

@givemushypeasachance

At my friends' primary school year five have a burst bubble again today, so that's those three classes of 9/10 year olds stuck isolating at home for ten days and homeschooling fun. Making your own 'risk assessment' is all well and good, but if you have kids in school or aren't vaccinated and work with other people, you coming down with covid can still impact on other people.
And yet they still won't vaccinate school staff until their age group is reached along with everyone else. Don't stay over at someone else's house as it's dangerous..... but sharing a classroom with 35 kids each day is fine..... no wonder people are making their own minds up
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HaveringWavering · 30/04/2021 10:01

[quote ravelston]@HaveringWavering
If that gave them pause for thought then great
Why do you think your opinion would matter a jot to them? Do you really think that you're so superior to others that your opinion is of any interest to them.
[/quote]
Most human interaction comes down to sharing opinions and, in doing so, seeking to influence the behaviour of others.

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TheKeatingFive · 30/04/2021 10:03

seeking to influence the behaviour of others.

I’m sure even you can see what a terrible job you’re doing at that, if this thread is anything to go by.

A smart person would be rethinking their strategy.

ilovesooty · 30/04/2021 10:03

Actually I find significant numbers of people disappointing but no amount of haranguing them is going to make any difference. I can't control what they do : only my response to it.

RuggerHug · 30/04/2021 10:07

@HaveringWavering

I feel a bit like I did when I woke up and found that we had voted for Brexit- surprised and massively disappointed in the intelligence of the U.K. population.
As an outsider in another country I feel this too looking in. What the collective fuck is wrong with so many people there?
Smartiepants79 · 30/04/2021 10:07

It’s not about ‘not giving a shot’ about COVID rules.
It’s much more complex and nuanced than that.
I comply with mask wearing, hand sanitizing everywhere I go, keeping my distance, not attending large group functions etc etc.
BUT given that my children spend five days a week in a room with 30 kids, can attend clubs with 15 other, different kids (not to mention the many adults and kids I mix with during my working day) I’m not going to be told I’m being stupid or selfish or reckless for having 1 or 2 extra people in my house. Especially if those people have been vaccinated.

Teateaandmoretea · 30/04/2021 10:09

Actually I find significant numbers of people disappointing but no amount of haranguing them is going to make any difference. I can't control what they do : only my response to it.

I think everyone does. But a lot of people are disappointed by Covid shaming and mindless compliance in others.

HazeyJaneII · 30/04/2021 10:10

A few more weeks, on top of the 400+ weeks already behind us....You should be thanking people for their sacrifice ....You probably can't foresee where a 'just following orders' mentality can take a country but millions of us can.

Ah....overblown hyperbole, sacrifice and accusations of Nazism....got to love Mumsnet Covid thread - this little snippet sums it up beautifully, thank you for your sacrifice and free thinking @btwwhichonespink

Jamboree01 · 30/04/2021 10:11

How do you know where the virus was transmitted?

Teachers do their part but that’s fine yes? Everyone can mix at work but nowhere else?

ravelston · 30/04/2021 10:11

@HaveringWavering
I'm more wondering why if the law makers of the land tell them something and they make the decision to ignore this and go and visit their families why on earth do you think they'd pay attention to your implication.
By the way you're coming across on this thread I honestly don't think your opinion would be of any interest to them and they certainly don't need to feel shame for their decisions

Rachie1973 · 30/04/2021 10:13

Most human interaction comes down to sharing opinions and, in doing so, seeking to influence the behaviour of others.

Lol that’s working well for you then?

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