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To wonder what it is about “no overnight stays till 17 May” that is so hard to understand?

821 replies

HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 16:22

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

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StormcloakNord · 29/04/2021 18:22

@Dowser19 ohh lovely!! My parents have a caravan and they love it so much I'd love to get one when I'm a bit older!

Scarlettpixie · 29/04/2021 18:22

People don’t care because the numbers are down and they think they are safe. They will probably say the rules didn’t work if/when the numbers go back up again; even though they didn’t follow them!

Upamountain43 · 29/04/2021 18:23

Maybe like me they have had both vaccines and 9 negative Covid tests in the last fortnight - seriously I could not care less

Hawkins001 · 29/04/2021 18:24

@Soubriquet

What’s the point?

What’s the point in saying “no I won’t do this until the 17th”

What’s the difference between today and the 17th?

Nothing

Just because you don't see any difference, does not automatically mean that there is no difference, just that you don't have all the facts that then would help.to explain why it's then and not sooner.
Livpool · 29/04/2021 18:24

Agreed @Lamentations - it is so easy to see how the Stasi got so much power

btwwhichonespink · 29/04/2021 18:24

@RichardMarxisinnocent I agree with you to be fair. My comment was in response to the OP of 'what part of no overnight stays until the 17th do you not understand?' The date is arbitrary so people refusing to follow it is understandable. Sticking to an arbitrary date because the gov said so, with no underlying evidence or reasoning, is what I don't understand.

People following the rules because they want to for whatever reason is A-OK by me and I don't judge.

TheKeatingFive · 29/04/2021 18:28

People need to catch a grip of themselves. Community rates are very low, anyone vulnerable has had a vaccine. If you’re still personally concerned, keep yourself in lockdown, no one is forcing you to get back out there.

But trying to shame people who’ve given up a huge amount to keep you all ‘safe’ and are now trying to reclaim a bit of their life back isn’t on any more. Enough.

Dowser19 · 29/04/2021 18:38

[quote StormcloakNord]@Dowser19 ohh lovely!! My parents have a caravan and they love it so much I'd love to get one when I'm a bit older![/quote]
Thank you.
It saved our sanity last year.
It felt like a bit of normal until we could go abroad in October
Apart from a couple of weekends in January, feb and March ..we weren’t allowed back till July 4, well apart from day visits in June, which again was ridiculous but our site owner had to protect his licence.

SergeiL · 29/04/2021 18:39

Those people saying nothing will have changed between now and 17th - it’s not actually true. More people with have received their first vaccine. More people will have had their second vaccine. And it gives more time for immunity to build up for those who have recently received a vaccine. EVC people and those in highest risk groups are only now receiving their second vaccine in some areas. So will not yet have the maximum immunity. Clinically vulnerable people (group 6) are less likely to have had their second dose. Mine isn’t due for a few weeks. Leaving more time between stages to review the impact of relaxing rules and allowing more time for the vaccine programme to progress is one of the few sensible approaches we have seen during this pandemic. It’s a shame that so many (compassionate reasons aside) cannot seem to see this.

traumatisednoodle · 29/04/2021 18:40

haveringwaveringare you happy for two families to sleep in adjoining caravans on holiday? Is it just when they step inside a house at nighttime that they become grossly irresponsible?

Yes there is a huge difference between inside and outdoors transmission. FFS we have all been doing this for 13 months- how honestly can people not know this stuff by now ?

The next unlock is a big one, kids are in school. Look at India, lets just go slow. I'd personally be happier if the next unlock was a bit more tentative.

CrystalE · 29/04/2021 18:41

To people saying what's the diff between now and 17 May - 18 days is the difference. For example the difference between 31 August last year and 18 Sept last year was a difference of 2180 cases per day to 4751 cases per day - more than double and on the way up.

I agree circumstances are different now with vaccines but if it starts increasing 17 days can make a big difference.

Dowser19 · 29/04/2021 18:41

@Constance11
I’m so sorry.
This is the really tragic part of this last year.
I never got to say goodbye to a dear friend who passed away in January because we never got to see him last summer

FatAnneTheDealer · 29/04/2021 18:42

@HaveringWavering “For goodness sake, I am not expecting actual prosecutions in relation to overnight stays. I am talking about challenging your nonsense about “oh well I would not be convicted by a jury of my peers” as if that magically makes the law disappear.”

I didn’t say you were expecting prosecutions, because no one could be so silly. Nor did I say that the “law would magically disappear”

I said that a jury of my peers would not convict me. You replied that prosecutions did not work that way.

I am telling you that there is clear precedent for juries refusing to convict under bad laws, which this is, despite a judge’s direction. If you tell me that I do not understand how the criminal law works, then you cannot be surprised if I reply, since I do, in fact, understand how it works.

Even the government’s deputy chief medical officer says that it is “incredibly safe” for fully vaccinated people to meet freely (including indoors) and yet the law says we cannot. Is that a reasonable law?

Vaccinated people in care homes who are taken out for a walk by a vaccinated relative or care worker then have to completely isolate in their room for 14 days, while someone completely unvaccinated flying in from India only has to isolate for 10 days. Is that reasonable? (I appreciate that that is only guidance, but it might as well be law because if a care home goes against guidance it invalidates their insurance.). Is that reasonable guidance?

These laws are bad. The guidance is bad. If they were better, and more rational, there would be less law breaking.

Bad laws get broken. They are either unenforceable (because they are bad - and if prosecuted unconvictable, because a rational jury won’t).

Your colleagues are reasonable. You are reasonable to make your own risk assessments (irrational though they may be) but not to judge them.

traumatisednoodle · 29/04/2021 18:43

R0 is about 1. Yes more people are getting vaccinated (lets hope it says effective against the varients). But as Van Tam says it's balanced on a knife edge.

traumatisednoodle · 29/04/2021 18:44

*To people saying what's the diff between now and 17 May - 18 days is the difference. For example the difference between 31 August last year and 18 Sept last year was a difference of 2180 cases per day to 4751 cases per day - more than double and on the way up.

I agree circumstances are different now with vaccines but if it starts increasing 17 days can make a big difference.*

Very well said.

LilMidge01 · 29/04/2021 18:51

My DP and I are planning to go and stay with his mum for a few nights 13th May. It's technically before the 18th but shes on her own having lost her husband (DP's dad) to covid a year ago this week, and it's her birthday and shes vaccinated. Cant say I give a crap that were staying a few days early

helpfulperson · 29/04/2021 18:52

I think people confuse individual risk and societal risk. The risk to you as an individual is minimal and the risk of being ill even less. But we are currently at a tipping point where a few more cases could still cause a runaway increase in cases. Look at Turkey currently locking down for the first time or other European countries struggling never mind India Brazil etc. We are doing fine but need to be careful to keep it line that.

apooagnuandyou · 29/04/2021 18:52

Can anyone honestly say that people mixing at Easter - AFTER schools had reopened - kids going back to school after mixing..
did have an effect?

I don't believe the rates did.

Letsgetreadytocrumble · 29/04/2021 18:53

I swear some people are desperate for this not to be over. So that they can continue to bore on about 'the law' and how people should 'feel ashamed'. Covid sure has given a lot of ammo for people who love to be judgemental of others.

Massive party on 5th January? Shitty behaviour.

Going to stay over at your mums on 1st May? Who gives a fuck?

HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 18:53

[quote tonystarksrighthand]@HaveringWavering it's guidelines not the law HTH[/quote]
No, it is the law. We are at Step 2 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Steps) (England) Regulations 2021.

These make it unlawful for 2 or more persons not in linked households to gather indoors.

The move to the next step on 17 May is not set in law and could change. Is that what you mean?

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Letsgetreadytocrumble · 29/04/2021 18:55

@apooagnuandyou

Can anyone honestly say that people mixing at Easter - AFTER schools had reopened - kids going back to school after mixing.. did have an effect?

I don't believe the rates did.

Exactly - schools (huge vectors of transmission apparently) have been back for ages, people have been mixing for a good while now, including more and more people doing so inside I would imagine, and the infection rate is continuing to drop, as are the deaths. The vaccine is working, deal with it!
apooagnuandyou · 29/04/2021 18:56

These make it unlawful for 2 or more persons not in linked households to gather indoors.

I cant' be bothered to search, but pretty sure there's something about "support bubble" that is not unlawful. Just say you are in a support bubble.

traumatisednoodle · 29/04/2021 18:57

@apooagnuandyou
I'm not so sure, look very carefully at the last 4-5 days. I think there is a tiny uptick, now many reasons for this, more of the population are testing. But the last easing was on the 12th, schools back a week later. So about now is right for those casss to start showing up. Yes rates are low but we are not home and dry.

thenightsky · 29/04/2021 18:58

No it’s people FOLLOWING the rules that have prolonged this nightmare - that was the whole fucking point of the rules - remember “flatten the curve”?! A longer and more drawn out process was needed to protect the NHS

^ This!

Nohomemadecandles · 29/04/2021 19:00

Christ on a bike. No shame. Are you my gran? My 90 year old gran?

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