Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

[Kendodd]

My theory is that voters don't care.

Pussy-whipped

Can we leave the standard Lady Macbeth misogyny out of it? She isn't elected by anyone, to anything.

This is all on him. The man who fought for decades to be PM, then realised it's actually quite difficult and not at all like japing about on a punt of an afternoon with your equally posh and unpleasant friends.

I care about results. I could not care less about refurbishments, love affairs or contracts to Dyson. If people believe in honest politicians or politicians that do not lie they are very naive.

Also, we could have it a lot worse as seen in other countries. Until there is an alternative that will make a real difference nobody would risk voting somebody else.

Of course I care, I don't understand people who say they don't. Bear in mind he's lying to YOU too. Do you like being lied to??
Why do we accept this shit? Surely we are worth better.

Politics and business are both ruthless. You have to be a certain type of person to get to the top in either of these professions. There are a lot of lies told, money passed under the table and a ‘you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours’ mentality to get to the top and stay at the top. It’s almost as old as the ark.

So it doesn’t surprise me at all to see these latest ‘revelations’ splashed across the papers. I haven’t read in any detail yet just the headlines so until I do I’m on the fence as to whether this is something I should be overly concerned/surprised about.

Right now if I never heard another politician’s voice again it would be too soon.

@Zazazaz

I care deeply.

I don't understand why so much of the population think it is ok for him to behave like this. I accept that potentially many previous politicians left something to be desired. But this is dismantling the standards of public office right before our eyes, on a different scale altogether. It's corruption. It used to be a resigning issue. Now it's 'just Boris'.

I hate what this country is becoming.

Me too

Nearly all politicians lie. Tony Blair lied repeatedly about the gulf war. Nick Clegg lied about not increasing tuition fees. We've had a very poor choice of political leaders over the last 2 or 3 decades. They've either been incompetent or dishonest.

If he performed well and we were satisfied with things generally, we probably wouldn't care. I've no doubt all politicians lie.

Yes, I care. But with a sort of resigned despair that it's all we can expect from our political leaders.

@Onetoomuch

At one time successive scandals like this would ultimately have led to a vote of no confidence and a GE. The electorate would customarily have rejected that party and voted in the opposition (as in the 90s). Nowadays they just say 'labour's as bad' and turn a blind eye. The apathy is frightening. There's also a tribalism going on which prevents people from changing their minds. So leavers will stick to Boris whatever he does until of course the shitshow that is Brexit starts to manifest itself and hits them personally.

I was with you until the last paragraph. There are plenty, yes plenty of Leave voters who aren't Tory voters.

I fully agree the apathy is frightening though.

It's a bit like doping in bike racing - it became endemic - those that didn't could see the advantage their competitors had and were forced to watch them win knowing they were cheats

As Lance Armstrong said, everyone was on drugs, but I was the fastest on drugs.

I care, but I can't do much more, no point writing to my MP as he is as deep into this as Boris. I didn't vote for them, everything will be forgotten very soon, as they keep pushing the line, but we have done well in the vaccines, despite all the massive mistakes they made at the start and during the last year.

In a while, they will turn the news onto something else to take the heat off them, whether that is businesses using furlough, the people themselves on furlough, people on benefits. People who go to protests, people who don't want to take the vaccine, it will go on and people will forget all about Hancock and his dodgy deals, Johnson and his dodgy deals.

If you really want a giggle have a look at Raab's speech the other day on corruption.

This is just one quote
“Whatever the particular circumstances, at the heart of this lies the same debilitating cycle of behaviour – corrupt officials ripping off their own people,”

And he was not even talking about this country

hitzandGiggles

As long as Boris is doing the best for Britain, or what I think is best for Britain, and putting our country first, I don’t much care about how he does it. Presumably SNP voters feel the same way about Nicola“

Hmm, lots of people probably thought the same about subsequently pretty notorious world leaders of the past.

To be honest all the stuff with Dyson, family members, copmanies they own shares in etc, I can't get too het up about at the moment . Maybe in 3 or 4 years, when we have had sometime to crawl out of this. Whatever anyone calls fraud, pocket lining, croneyism, etc could be described as using what you have, who you know to get us out of the shit. Some of it worked, some didn't. And the media hype never did explain why Kate Bingham went from being on bed with Cummings to a fucking good idea! So I'll continue adding a pinch of salt...

Then the leaks, he said, she said. Why are we being told this? Why now? Usually across MN, when a woman says "My best friend told me what another freind has said and it as hurtful" we are all told to examine the motivation of the best friend.

Well Cummings is a known self serving liar... so what is is motivation for all of this? Why are we being told about the probably very heated exchanges behind closed doors? Why is everything that anyone does or says, 24/7 dragged into public and used as a hammer with which to hit them? SM has trained some very well - it is a fucking great blunt instrument! What happened to prefessionalism, to understanding that what is said behind closed doors, was never intended for publication, stays behind closed doors? Nothing illegal was said, a similar sentiment proliferates acroiss MN boards every day, so there's no actual whistle blowing. So why are we being told? My pinch of salt got larger.

All politicians lie. We have almost destroyed our old style staid, meaningful politics (not that they didn't have scandal, liars etc), no longer have many 'real' politicians left, grass roots politics seems to have been destroyed. Many voters (should they even bother to vote) seem to think we have the US system of vote for the leader, maybe the party, regardless of local need etc. We have career politicians, grown in universities, inhabiting the various 'sab' roles, grooming and being groomed. Blairite smiles firmly affixed.

Johnson is abhorrent. Starmer, like Corbyn before him, equally so, for different reasons. NEITHER should be anywhere near power.

I fucking hate them all. For years I have felt my connection to politics being weakened. I have always been active locally but now even out bloody parish councillors are nailing their party colours to their campaign - and that isn't even vaguely appopriate! So here I am, once a crad carrying Labout member, long politically homeless wondering why? Just why?

And I am led back to the longer version of a well known quote:
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men...
Lord Acton, MP for Bridgnorth, 1887

Great as in those in power, not the modern meaning of wonderful!

A lot of people don't care until it affects them personally. Shock and outrage then ensue.

@blueangel19

I care about results. I could not care less about refurbishments, love affairs or contracts to Dyson. If people believe in honest politicians or politicians that do not lie they are very naive.

Also, we could have it a lot worse as seen in other countries. Until there is an alternative that will make a real difference nobody would risk voting somebody else.

That's just 100% arse. In fact the majority of people "risked" voting for somebody else at the last election, but due to our unfit for purpose electoral shitstem we ended up with Boris who most people actually didn't vote for (or even his shitty dishonest party).

Refurbishment - in isolation wouldn’t care too much although the amounts seem extraordinarily high.

‘Bodies piling up’ could give him benefit of the doubt that he meant it only for dramatic effect and knew his audience. Plus he did go for the third lockdown when the time came.

Dyson/chumocracy - So big businesses have more lobbying power than your corner shop. Can’t get too worked up although could be missing something as haven’t given it much thought.

Infidelity - didn’t initially give it much thought, but yes it shows a bad character, also having so many skeletons means he could have been open to bribery through his career.

Dominic Cummings - standing by him while he spun the tale in the Rose Garden. Just unbelievable gaslighting.

Brexit - too complex, don’t know, they were in a negotiation I suppose. Rock, hard place, but he should have foreseen the NI situation.

No time to list any other lies :)

I am coming to think that the more boring the politician the better. Quite liked Theresa May although I think I was the only one :)

I have never voted Tory apart from once voting for Boris as London mayor. At the time I thought his colourful character meant he was honest and straightforward, and not as obsessed with spin and PR as other boring politicians of the time. (Stupid)

@blueangel19

I care about results. I could not care less about refurbishments, love affairs or contracts to Dyson. If people believe in honest politicians or politicians that do not lie they are very naive.

Also, we could have it a lot worse as seen in other countries. Until there is an alternative that will make a real difference nobody would risk voting somebody else.

Exactly.

As long as Brexit gets done, I can wave my St George’s flag without feeling all racist, eat my pork pie whilst slurping on my pint in the pub on a Saturday afternoon away from the missus whilst scrolling through my phone looking at onlyfans without judgment, then I’ll die a happy man.

I care a lot. He's full of shit and always has been - and continues to be - yet people voted for him in droves because of the lies he was spouting about brexit and, hell, at least he's not a vegetarian who wants to give us Commie broadband.

One day this country will wake up but until then we get the leadership we deserve.

Really confused by the furore over the cost of refurbishment at No. 10. Apparently Carrie didn't like didn't like Teresa May's taste, rather too JL. So we know that TM redecorated, we know that the Camerons redecorated, we know that the Blairs redecorated, there's even footage of Margaret Thatcher in her new fitted kitchen. If every PM goes in and redecorates surely it makes sense for there to be a budget that must be kept to or they should be told no.

Contemptible. Those who support him equally so.

A lot of people don't care until it affects them personally. Shock and outrage then ensue.
That sums up the way the world works, in my view. I find it really depressing, but true.

If you do not care that the person in the highest office in the country is an inveterate and provable liar, you have the government you deserve.

It is shocking how low our standards and expectations have dropped.

Doomsdayiscoming not only fans it gives too much money to the bloody wimmin, get yourself to pornhub.

Re what May, Cameron etc spent:
news.sky.com/story/what-is-boris-johnsons-flat-refurb-like-and-how-much-did-previous-prime-ministers-spend-12288693

(Who knows how accurate the story is, but thought it was interesting.)

Yep I care but then I didn’t vote for him, never would unless I was held at gunpoint. He’s scum.

Agree with Curious mostly but am also about politicians generally. Looking at the leaders here and the US, I think to myself, '... is this really the best and brightest on offer, ' which is resounding NO.

Looking at the local elections, the candidates are mostly white middle class with time on their hands.