Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

[Kendodd]

My theory is that voters don't care.

17th Feb 2020

It is not the fault of those who do not apply critical thinking in their voting decisions

Oh, this good old tripe again...Those who don't agree with me are 'thick', 'need to be educated' 'do not apply critical thinking'. Yes, sure. Grow up

Anyone would think that Johnson had personally gone round jabbing people's arms

Boris Johnson was criticised for personally appointing Kate Bingham to lead the Vaccine Taskforce - apparently she was a 'Boris Johnson crony' and the wrong person for the job. As she turned out to be the right person for the job - Boris Johnson can take the credit for appointing her.

Trust Clavinova to try to make excuses for Johnson. The first Covid cases landed in the UK at the end of January, having been a cause for concern in China for at least six weeks before that. But as Clavinova confirms, Johnson wasn't monitoring the situation, he was busy with a divorce. Whether a PM normally chairs COBRA meetings is a moot point - in a global crisis one might have expected a PM to do so.

@beachsidecafe

I am checking out of this insipid, bitter and nasty thread. Labour have no chance with Starmer the waxwork, and you know it. So good luck to you all, because no one is ever going to vote for a party that doesn't stand for anything at all, and is weaker than ever. We have no idea what Labour even means anymore. They have completely lost their way, and until that changes, along with a leader that can actually lead and inspire, you are doomed to failure after failure I am afraid.

Say what you like about Boris, but he is known all over the world, everyone knows who he is. An effusive and inspiring PM that makes his mark, most of us know he is a good egg. You can call him whatever you like, but it doesn't change the fact that he is very popular, and that is why we see such hatred and coordinated campaigns against him.

You won't win, not with shabby rag tag opposition that has no policies or direction. So I expect the conservatives to win all over the country again.

See ya - wouldn't wanna be ya.

Actually a lot of the electorate are ill informed and uneducated about politics. A fair number are pretty stupid too

Blimey! What makes some think they are above the rest in this way?

One SAGE member that the Institute spoke to during the pandemic described COBR as a "void of decision making" at the centre of government. In the early stages of the crisis, it was not always clear to officials who was taking which decisions. And COBR was not supported to commission specific pieces of scientific analysis from SAGE, meaning the scientific advisers were unable to provide useful answers

COBR meetings are usually chaired by the most senior minister in the room, which is the PM, if he or she is there.

Seems like Cobr was missing the PMs decisive leadership.....

Perhaps a better question isn't why Bojo didn't attend several meetings but what was he doing instead?

Trump was known all over the world too

Can we stop bringing Trump into the discussion? We are in the UK FFS!

Starmer is ok.
I quite liked his John Lewis wallpaper stunt. (Shoot me)

@jasjas1973 wasn’t he busy choosing wallpaper?

many children from multiple women

Can we also stop mentioning this? What does the number of children he has have to do with anything? Would you criticize a woman for having many children by different fathers?

@mustlovegin

Actually a lot of the electorate are ill informed and uneducated about politics. A fair number are pretty stupid too

Blimey! What makes some think they are above the rest in this way?

Tory party corruption and policies hurt people, destroy lives.

Anyone who wilfully ignores that is contemptible.

To be fair Notonthestairs they did have a sleaze free PM for a while. Unfortunately, the Party was unable to cope with it. One hint that their voters might have to pay a bit more tax to provide better care for future elders and she was binned in favour of the Labrador. He has the Right attitude 'let the bodies pile high in the streets'.

I thought the Wallpaper stunt quite funny too. The Tories seemed not to though. I also liked the John Lewis response that they have a Home Design Service and can find something to suit most tastes.

One hint that their voters might have to pay a bit more tax to provide better care for future elders and she was binned in favour of the Labrador.

This is a bit sad really. Her instinct was sound - at some stage a way will have to be found to fund residential care - and not just for the elderly, the sick and disabled also use such care. Where she was wrong was dragging it into an election campaign.

And health care workers died - partly due to inadequate PPE.
But yeh - he’s a good egg really. Not guilty of manslaughter

Not just the deaths either. There are 4,000 doctors who are off sick because of Long Covid. The consequences of the PPE fiasco are very much still being felt.

As for the successful vaccine rollout, that’s down to the NHS and the scientific community not BoJo himself.

Would you criticize a woman for having many children by different fathers?

I am 100% sure that the Press would have an absolute field day with it, especially if it was a Labour/SNP politician.

Where she was wrong was dragging it into an election campaign

So she should have lied? i.e. the same thing you are criticising so fervently about Johnson?

So she should have lied? i.e. the same thing you are criticising so fervently about Johnson?

No, she should have initiated a proper debate outside an election campaign. A three week campaign is nowhere near long enough to debate the issues. Ideally an issue such as this would need a cross party commission to take soundings from as good a cross section as possible with recommendations as to the way forward.

How’s that Boris sorted Brexit looking for fishermen this morning?

jasjas1973
One SAGE member that the Institute spoke to during the pandemic described COBR as a "void of decision making" at the centre of government.

Not another anonymous quote - doesn't the SAGE member have a name?

The UK government has failed to land an fishing access deal with Norway. Consequently the UK has no rights to fish in Norwegian sub-Arctic waters in 2021 and hundreds of crewmen have no work.
ukfisheries.net/media-centre/uk-government-sinks-british-distant-waters-fleet

O agree with you peregrina, she should not have brought that into her electoral campaign but that illustrates my point. The Right can't handle the truth and a leader who fails to tickle their voters is doomed from within. If she'd suggested that free school meals be abolished, together with any benefits for single mothers, in order to pay for elderly care she'd have fared better. She told them they are known as the Nasty Party. She tried and failed to appeal to their collective conscience. Unfortunately, and as always, it's conspicuous by its absence.

Yep. And not only can we not fish in their waters, they can sell the fish they are now fishing tariff free into the U.K.

@Clavinova

jasjas1973 One SAGE member that the Institute spoke to during the pandemic described COBR as a "void of decision making" at the centre of government.

Not another anonymous quote - doesn't the SAGE member have a name?

Err is that relevant? i didn't realise allegations had to meet criminal court standards of evidence?

What matters is were they true? given what we all saw unfold in Feb/March, it looks very much as if the Govt was leaderless during this period.

Numerous scandals have been uncovered using "unnamed sources"

Do you think the IoG is a socialist working group, intent on destroying Johnson?