Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

[Kendodd]

My theory is that voters don't care.

I don't care what deal he made with Dyson to get life saving equipment

@Overdueanamechange, do you care that Dyson never actually provided life saving equipment? Do you care that Johnson was giving concessions to his rich mate whilst ignoring firms that actually had a track record in manufacturing ventilators who were offering to help? Do you care about our appalling Covid death rates?

Didn’t berlusconi get in 3 times?

Silvio Berlusconi formed four governments. Whilst I think he is a disgusting man and so is Donald Trump, they are nowhere near as bad as Boris Johnson.

Every time Johnson is backed in a corner by a question he tries to evade it by claiming that the public isn't interested, what it's interested in is roughly whatever he can think of that he thinks will put him in a good light. It's becoming a really tedious, repetitive tactic. He needs to realise that, when it comes to issues of his personal lack of integrity, the public is very interested. Also, that if he is acting fraudulently, unlawfully or unethically, then it matters not a jot whether anyone is interested, he is simply unfit to hold office anyway.

@Clavinova I am certainly english. For some reason I always thought you were russian.

Every time Johnson is backed in a corner by a question he tries to evade it by claiming that the public isn't interested, what it's interested in is roughly whatever he can think of that he thinks will put him in a good light. It's becoming a really tedious, repetitive tactic. He needs to realise that, when it comes to issues of his personal lack of integrity, the public isveryinterested. Also, that if he is acting fraudulently, unlawfully or unethically, then it matters not a jot whether anyone is interested, he is simply unfit to hold office anyway.

But he flies the union Jack at every opportunity so all is well

@Nith

I don't care what deal he made with Dyson to get life saving equipment

@Overdueanamechange, do you care that Dyson never actually provided life saving equipment? Do you care that Johnson was giving concessions to his rich mate whilst ignoring firms that actually had a track record in manufacturing ventilators who were offering to help? Do you care about our appalling Covid death rates?

So true. His dodgy dealings with Dyson meant firms with proven ability to deliver working ventilators were ignored despite repeated attempts to bolster the NHS resources. It probably cost lives.

Silvio Berlusconi formed four governments. Whilst I think he is a disgusting man and so is Donald Trump, they are nowhere near as bad as Boris Johnson.

Sorry, whilst I think Boris is a liar and lacks integrity, you really can’t be serious that he’s worse than Trump! Trump who tried to claim that Biden’s victory in the Presidential election was fraudulent and, when the courts didn’t back him, attempted to incite a political coup to seize power. His followers tried to hang Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi fgs!!

Of course I care that he is a liar and morally corrupt. I care that he's taking our money and giving it to his mates. I care that his 'we are all in it together' is so not true.

I'm also appalled at how morally corrupt our country is, if outer fellow citizens deem it acceptable for our PM to tell lies. Awful. What has happened to us as a country?

I recall from studying French politics as part of my French degree, 30 years ago now, that our lecturer (who was French) told us that this was the attitude French people had about their politicians. They just didn’t care about politicians lying, they expected it.

That wasn’t the attitude here back then. It’s sad to think we’ve become like that here too.

Cut to 700 messages in. I don't generally do that, so, sorry. I'm usually a close reader of threads so I don't go 'LTB!' 700 threads in where she's already remarried... 😂

However, my peace of mind makes me understand that the reality is, most people either don't give a fuck, or vote tribally, regardless of the overwhelming evidence suggesting the idiocy of that 'choice'.

Most people really little care, and less know, thus 'politicians? They're all the same'.

My coping mechanism? I do what works for me and mine. As few think, or care, any more widely, during our current 'stage of history'.

We are heading towards an increasingly right wing dictatorship, but too few of us understand, less care- about it.

I want me and mine to be on the 'right' side of this history (that will be written by the victors. As ever, ad infinitum).

What usually 'saves' us, in our FPTP electoral system, is apathy.

I think there needs to be a proper enquiry into all this, but people also need to realise that MN especially was demanding something to be done 'yesterday' just a year ago and the tories should resign, the dyson thing situation is shades of grey to normal people other than the terminally online.

As for cash for curtains, thats a distraction attempt at something I am not sure of but again the terminally online political agititors are full on signal boosting it.

We do need a review over everything, and I think their will be one globally, france blocking PPE early onto the UK, canada dipping into the covax, US outright blocking some exports, the media are to blame in this as well.

People forget how the situation was a year ago and pretend everyone was just calmly asking for solutions and wasnt online screaming for something to be done like x country was doing.

Furthermore, not-so-deep in our souls, the fact remains, most of us sort of admire the Big Man. He who rides roughshod over his opponents. Attila the Hun. Mugabe. Putin. And everyone in between.

How many of us would balk at the opportunity to employ our mates and family in government if we knew we could not only get away with it, but be respected for our confidence, and power?

How many of us would balk at the opportunity to employ our mates and family in government if we knew we could not only get away with it, but be respected for our confidence, and power?

I certainly wouldn't employ my mates/ family using other people's money. The brass neck of anyone who would

@Miljea

Furthermore, not-so-deep in our souls, the fact remains, most of us sort of admire the Big Man. He who rides roughshod over his opponents. Attila the Hun. Mugabe. Putin. And everyone in between.

How many of us would balk at the opportunity to employ our mates and family in government if we knew we could not only get away with it, but be respected for our confidence, and power?

Speak for yourself. That's a very frightening view of human nature you have there. Count me out.

@Mittens030869

I recall from studying French politics as part of my French degree, 30 years ago now, that our lecturer (who was French) told us that this was the attitude French people had about their politicians. They just didn’t care about politicians lying, they expected it.

That wasn’t the attitude here back then. It’s sad to think we’ve become like that here too.

I reckon it's also about entertainment. Johnson is entertaining. Yes, things really have got that cynical and shallow.

Johnson isn't as bad as Berlosconi or Trump. He's more like Zaphod Beeblebrox, except he's not cool, had only one head and only half a brain.

He also doesn't try to get his political opponents sent to prison as far as we know.

Great question. More people care than don't. However, our voting system allows the conservatives to stay in power assisted by non-critical thinking voters.

It is not the fault of those who do not apply critical thinking in their voting decisions. We have been raised and educated this way. But you can inform yourself.

Think about why the refurb of the flat is an issue? Why is the Dyson call an issue? Why is the Cameron lobbying an issue. Why did the conservatives vote not to extend free/subsidised school meals? For those kids that got some meals, why do you think they were so inadequate? I could go on and on and some more.

For those of you who don't care now, do some research. I did. I can assure you that you will shocked at what you learn about the establishment and this Government.

Be your own critical thinker. Do not accept on face value what the media reports.

@Miljea

Furthermore, not-so-deep in our souls, the fact remains, most of us sort of admire the Big Man. He who rides roughshod over his opponents. Attila the Hun. Mugabe. Putin. And everyone in between.

How many of us would balk at the opportunity to employ our mates and family in government if we knew we could not only get away with it, but be respected for our confidence, and power?

Have you ever completed any of those online tests to see if you have psychopathic traits. Do you truly believe this is how people think. That is worrying

I care more about getting him & those bastard tories out of office!!

Who on earth would want to be PM during an unexpected, unplanned for pandemic?

The pandemic was absolutely not unexpected, experts have been predicting one for years. It was unplanned for yes, but you can blame that on the Tories who didn’t take the national risk register seriously enough to plan ahead for it.

Try this on for size. What an utter cunt Boris Johnson is:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4227538-See-how-much-the-government-has-just-cut-free-school-meal-funding-by-in-your-area

@KeflavikAirport

Who on earth would want to be PM during an unexpected, unplanned for pandemic?

The pandemic was absolutely not unexpected, experts have been predicting one for years. It was unplanned for yes, but you can blame that on the Tories who didn’t take the national risk register seriously enough to plan ahead for it.

I was talking to a member of the Scottish Government not long ago and she said every government has two top 'emergency' scenarios they have plans on the shelf for: a pandemic, and climate change.

(The quote marks are mine as I disagree that climate change is something we're waiting to happen) but you get my point.

Looks like Every Doctor UK and the Good Law Project are making good progress holding the government to account.

Did we ever find out who paid for his holiday to Mustique?
That fuss went away.
Johnson has learnt that he can lie and accept big fat 'tips' for his work and get away with it.

If this poll is anything to go by (I'm sure its not) 25% of voters don't care about corruption in government. I suspect that in fact, they would care very much if a PM they didn't like (imagine it was Corbyn) was behaving like Johnson.
In good news! 75% of the public do care about honestly and integrity in politics. I percentage of those probably believe what Johnson says despite the countless occasions he's unanimously lied (and they're just plain stupid imo). Still, that leaves a majority of voters who do care, unfortunately due to our fptp voting system we will probably be governed by lying Tories for ever more. For the record I don't think all Tory MPs are liars or just out to enrich themselves and their cronies (I think Rory Stewart would have been brilliant managing covid) but Johnson has now lowered the bar and shown them that integrity doesn't matter.

@Darker
Do you have a link?
I bet they ultimately fail though. I mean what does 'hold him to account' even mean?
We all learnt recently that being in contempt of parliament is completely meaningless and nothing happens afterwards.

@WornOutPaterfamilias
‘I reckon it's also about entertainment. Johnson is entertaining. Yes, things really have got that cynical and shallow’

This

I reckon that for some it’s like strictly come dancing - cheer for the clumsy, incompetent but entertaining contestant who somehow manages to get way further than expected and knocking out those who can actually dance along the way.

Except in this case the cheerful fool actually won.