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Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

999 replies

Kendodd · 28/04/2021 07:24

My theory is that voters don't care.

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Fespital · 29/04/2021 12:49

He has shown himself time and time again to be dishonest professionally and personally (cheating).

Integrity is a huge value for me. Whilst I didn't agree with many of Corbyn's policies I respected his integrity and belief in that value. Whether I believe in Boris's policies or not is irrelevant because I couldn't trust him to implement them for the good of the country, only himself.

longwayoff · 29/04/2021 12:49

Marks & Spencer? John Lewis? What fresh hell is this? Ms Symonds cannot be expected to endure the lengthy hell of living with middle class furnishings, perish the thought. Only the grossly inflated prices happily paid by the nouveau riche are good enough for her. I wonder what the 'red wine' sofa cost? She was vocal about the boorish behaviour of her housemate concerning that. I expect she paid for that herself.Wine

BettysCardigan · 29/04/2021 12:55

@Daphnise

We don't know he's lying, it's all surmise.

And why is it significant if he were lying?

A politician who doesn't lie?

No such thing!

That's all right then!

Who needs a leader on the world stage with any sort of integrity or respect?

Not silly old Britain!

Cornettoninja · 29/04/2021 12:56

@Daphnise

We don't know he's lying, it's all surmise.

And why is it significant if he were lying?

A politician who doesn't lie?

No such thing!

This reads like a lesson in lowering standards.
the80sweregreat · 29/04/2021 12:59

I agree that Rishi had sold people down the river during the pandemic but he did say ' I can't help everyone ' at the beginning of this. Some of The self employed are rightly upset including some of my own relatives who discovered they couldn't claim anything as they take dividends at the end of the year and didn't meet the criteria for any help despite always paying their taxes.
I'm not sticking up for him or them : I'm just making the comparison between the chancellor paying for his own refurbishments and how his boss has handled it in order to keep his girlfriend happy, nothing to do with the pandemic and those particular barriers to any financial help. I know a few self employed people who did receive some help too.

BettysCardigan · 29/04/2021 13:06

To be clear, Rishi is fuuuuuucking minted

DuncinToffee · 29/04/2021 13:06

From the Ministerial Code (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_Code)

Annex – The Seven Principles of Public Life
These principles were published by the Committee on Standards in Public Life in 1995.[15]

Selflessness: ministers should act entirely in the public interest.
Integrity: no financial obligations should be accepted if they could undermine the minister's position.
Objectivity: when making appointments, decisions should be based on merit.
Accountability: all public office-holders are accountable, and should co-operate with all scrutiny procedures.
Openness: all decisions should be justified, and information should be restricted only when necessary for the public interest.
Honesty: public office-holders are required, by duty, to be honest in all their dealings and business.
Leadership: the principles should be supported and upheld by leadership and example.

But hey, everybody lies and Corbyn...

WarmAndFluff · 29/04/2021 13:14

@RunnerDown

He is a psychopath. If people don’t care about him lying and let him off with it he will financially and morally bankrupt this country. The thing I care most about however is the fact that he gave away millions of taxpayers money to his cronies to make ppe during the first lockdown. What they produced wasn’t up to standard and may have cost nhs workers their lives. He ignored legitimate companies who knew what they were doing. And then there is track and trace which has also cost lives due to its lack of effectiveness. There is also Money given to Jennifer Acura £2.5 million spent refurbishing a press room Hundreds of contracts given out to mates with no tendering process which have failed to deliver The disaster that is brexit and the real possibility of peace breaking down in Northern Island His comments and callousness about people dying of COVID His stealthy privatisation of the NHS . His reluctance to give them an adequate pay rise ( because he wants the NHS to collapse) He is not doing his best for the U.K. .He is doing his best for Boris. If you can’t see how corrupt he is I despair. He should be in prison
@RunnerDown - exactly how I see it
paralysedbyinertia · 29/04/2021 13:15

@Daphnise

We don't know he's lying, it's all surmise.

And why is it significant if he were lying?

A politician who doesn't lie?

No such thing!

It's so depressing that people think like this. I despair.
Ontopofthesunset · 29/04/2021 13:16

I find the 'all politicians lie' so dispiriting. Frankly, anyone who uses it is either being disingenous or is just ignorant. There is a difference between making a campaign pledge and not fully delivering it or massaging data to look better, and out and out falsehood. This man has been fired for lying. He has made a career out of lying.

To be clear, the flat and the decor itself is unimportant. It's not just that he's lied - it's that he appears to have tried various different schemes to avoid paying. So those people arguing that he should be concentrating on more important things are wrong in so many ways. He has in fact been expending consderable ingenuity and energy on working out ways to get the decorating funded. And, really, beyond that, it should be a minimum requirement of a senior politician that they are able to think about more than one thing at a time. You know, housing, jobs, education, healthcare...

milveycrohn · 29/04/2021 14:16

I find it perplexing that they actually have a 30,000 budget from Gov funds, but that the refurb was so expensive it required an additional 58,000.
I think I would be expecting gold wallpaper for that.
However, the real problem is that it shows just how weak a person he is, if he could not say no to his fiancee.

AllThatisSolid · 29/04/2021 14:35

I care very much. He’s not intellectually or ethically fit to hold high office.

But most Tories will laugh and go “Oh Boris, he’s a charming buffoon” and we’ll be stuck with this laughing stock Mr Blobby.

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 14:38

Who does care now about Cameron, who jacked in being PM within 12 hours and did a runner from Parliament in the October. And is now supposed to be bored shitless. Why are the opinions of what Farage and Gove and Uncle Tom Cobbley an' all thought in any way relevant to the fact that he was not a man of his word?

BettysCardigan · 29/04/2021 14:45

The real problem is he is a shyster, trying to gouge money out of people and lying about it, assuming based on past history that because he has funny hair he can get away with it.

ancientgran · 29/04/2021 15:11

@Daphnise

We don't know he's lying, it's all surmise.

And why is it significant if he were lying?

A politician who doesn't lie?

No such thing!

Well he isn't very good at it is he as he seems to get caught out so often, or maybe he is fantastically good at it and he actually lies even more than we think.
ancientgran · 29/04/2021 15:13

@BettysCardigan

The real problem is he is a shyster, trying to gouge money out of people and lying about it, assuming based on past history that because he has funny hair he can get away with it.
Do you think he's like Samson? Oh I do hope so as I reckon his hair's on the run.
ancientgran · 29/04/2021 15:14

@Ontopofthesunset

I find the 'all politicians lie' so dispiriting. Frankly, anyone who uses it is either being disingenous or is just ignorant. There is a difference between making a campaign pledge and not fully delivering it or massaging data to look better, and out and out falsehood. This man has been fired for lying. He has made a career out of lying.

To be clear, the flat and the decor itself is unimportant. It's not just that he's lied - it's that he appears to have tried various different schemes to avoid paying. So those people arguing that he should be concentrating on more important things are wrong in so many ways. He has in fact been expending consderable ingenuity and energy on working out ways to get the decorating funded. And, really, beyond that, it should be a minimum requirement of a senior politician that they are able to think about more than one thing at a time. You know, housing, jobs, education, healthcare...

Well said.
Jamestheleast · 29/04/2021 15:21

I do care, I care about the lies and favours for Dyson, I care about David Cameron and about letting Uber loose and unrestricted. Greensil Terrible.
Boris was the only one who could get us out of the Brexit mess. Now a large majority accept it. Very few really want to open it up again. Imagine the turmoil if the LibDems really got going with the idea of re-joining.
Sterling and the Stock Market are well valued. Smaller Companies are expanding.
The job that needs doing now is improving productivity so we can have better wages. NOT bringing in cheap immigrants for unskilled work.

Now we can throw Boris overboard.

Eve · 29/04/2021 15:23

I wonder what the correlation is between those who say Boris lying and the Govt awarding lucrative contracts to their mates is not a problem and those who complained about the corrupt EU bureaucrats !

I suspect a strong overlap! Hmm

Personally I care very much about manipulation, lying , cheating and dishonesty... yes you may get 1 or 2 dishonest politicians but when a whole parliamentry party is gaslighting the population for their own gain I care very much and I'm sick of it.

We have a very good local Tory councilor who I will not be voting for in this election due to the antics of Boris and co.

mustlovegin · 29/04/2021 15:33

Now we can throw Boris overboard

That's a mean thing to say.

Anyway, we are not out of the woods yet and we will need decisive leadership for the next 3 or 4 years at least.

Given the tricky current geopolitical landscape, what we don't need is a taciturn pushover steering the country.

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 15:36

Boris was the only one who could get us out of the Brexit mess. Now a large majority accept it.

Only your opinion - not EU citizens whose residence status has been compromised. Not those business who find that their export market to the EU is now much more expensive and possibly not worth it any more. Not the people of N Ireland, who had a hard won but uneasy peace which has now been jeopardized by Johnson's failure to negotiate a sensible agreement if that were possible.

NOT bringing in cheap immigrants for unskilled work.

The scheme to get UK people into the fruit picking jobs fell flat on its face, and now the crops need those 'cheap unskilled immigrants.'

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 29/04/2021 15:36

We don’t know he’s lying, but I’d say the odds are pretty much in favour of that being most likely.

If we don’t know, that’s all the more reason for a proper independent inquiry into whether he has acted improperly or not.

Cornettoninja · 29/04/2021 15:46

Boris was the only one who could get us out of the Brexit mess

Didn’t he manage to broker a deal that was worse than what Theresa hashed out?

BettysCardigan · 29/04/2021 15:48

A mean thing to say?! Words fail me. I'm pretty sure she it's a metaphorical overboard.

Mean...to the person who oversaw the death of tens of thousands of people while shilling for his friends, who produced no ventilators or a viable track and trace system. Fuck me.

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 15:50

Yes Theresa May was not going to put a customs barrier in the Irish Sea, which Johnson has done, after voting against what May had agreed.

But I assume that those posters on here who think Johnson is wonderful, don't live in NI and don't give a stuff about the place.

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