Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

[Kendodd]

My theory is that voters don't care.

Yes I care. I care a lot. And I also care that there is an assumption or suggestion by politicians that I don’t care because that suits their agenda

@Clydesider

I think he's an appalling, unprincipled, selfish man and I really can't understand why he's so popular. He's our very own Trump and I'm ashamed of this nation at times for putting him in 10 Downing Street.

You've taken the words out my mouth.

I really can't understand why he's so popular

Maybe because he gets things done?

He actually seems to smirk when any suggestion of wrongdoing is made. Like it’s all a big game to him and he knows he can get away with it. I despair that he was ever elected to office and that the electorate seem to go for a personality - even a bad personality - rather than someone who is competent enough to do the job. For someone who is supposedly such a linguist, he can’t even string a sentence together without ehming and uhming and blustering his way through, smirking all the time. He is disgraceful

[quote Onetoomuch]@TomPinch don't remember the guppygate scandal then ? Maybe have a look into it .......[/quote]
Don't mistake me. I think Johnson's a toad. Unfortunately people's general cynicism about politicians means that others have engaged in bad behaviour too. Johnson should resign. So should Sturgeon. In fairness to the latter, Johnson should have gone first, but what happened in Scotland scares me more

@Clydesider

I think he's an appalling, unprincipled, selfish man and I really can't understand why he's so popular. He's our very own Trump and I'm ashamed of this nation at times for putting him in 10 Downing Street.

This exactly. Sadly, I think it’s true of those he surrounds himself with too.

He doesn’t ‘get things done’ - he manipulates the media.

He comes across as resolute, forthcoming and non-apologetic. He doesn't seem to dither, bow down to pressure or go round in circles.

These qualities are very important in current times.

Kier Starmer thinks his best chance of getting elected is based on Boris's curtains. Surely that flat has been done up loads of times in the past.

@mustlovegin

I really can't understand why he's so popular

Maybe because he gets things done?

He gets things done without bothering to understand them, causing untold harm.

Countless people's lives have been destroyed by BJs cavalier attitude to Brexit and the Pandemic and Lord knows what else.

@mustlovegin

He comes across as resolute, forthcoming and non-apologetic. He doesn't seem to dither, bow down to pressure or go round in circles.

These qualities are very important in current times.

Huh? You mean the man who took weeks to decide if he was backing Leave or Remain?

He only has a principle for as long as it serves him well.

You are so blind if you think otherwise. Which is the politest thing I can say tbh.

@Clydesider

I think he's an appalling, unprincipled, selfish man and I really can't understand why he's so popular. He's our very own Trump and I'm ashamed of this nation at times for putting him in 10 Downing Street.

This. He isn't "doing his best". He isn't "the best of a bad bunch". He isn't "good ol' Boris".

He won on a promise to Get Brexit Done. What that means, practically, might be slightly less appealing to voters but he Doesn't Do Details.

His problem isn't stupidity or even incompetence- he's an intelligent enough man but his aims don't align with those of the electorate and he has no interest in working for something which doesn't directly benefit him.

He and his appointment to office are national embarrassments. And there are many prominent media outlets and 43% of the electorate who helped achieve this.

cavalier attitude to Brexit

He acted upon what the majority voted

@mustlovegin

He comes across as resolute, forthcoming and non-apologetic. He doesn't seem to dither, bow down to pressure or go round in circles.

These qualities are very important in current times.

Did you think that about PMQs yesterday? I thought he was beligerent, shaken and frankly losing it.

Yes and no. He's far from perfect but I can't think who'd be better. Certainly not anyone from the Labour party. Let's face it, they're all twats no matter what party.

That doesn't mean there might not have been a better way to do it.

@Peregrina

But I heard Tories declare that they thought May was doing a good job, until she wasn't. Ditto with Cameron, who went and let the side down.

Johnson will be undone at some stage, probably by his own actions, but if not by 'events, dear boy, events', and then he will have few friends.

He will, but not soon. There is a by-election coming up, and the polling suggests that the Tories will gain the constituency. It's very rare, historically speaking, for a government to gain a seat mid term. It's happened twice in the last 50 years and it shows just how weak Labour are right now.

As long as Johnson delivers the votes they'll keep him on.

@HidingFromTheChildren

Kier Starmer thinks his best chance of getting elected is based on Boris's curtains. Surely that flat has been done up loads of times in the past.

Missing the point.

Clavinova

Ref Marina Wheeler timing of cancer diagonosis.

Do you really think cancer just "pops up" one day.
In other words the fact she was diagnosed in May 2019 but the separation from Boris was in summer 2018 - therefore the fact she was married to / lived with Boris has nothing to do with her cancer.

You clearly know nothing about how cancer manifests itself in the body.

Yes it is true there is much unknown around cancer. But i would not be surprised if the stress of having 4 children with a serial philanderer for decades did not to some extent contribute to her health outcomes in some way.

Is this relevant to his role as PM? I don't know. But i do believe that how you behave in your private life can often be a good indicator of how you behave in your professional life.

*mustlovegin
I really can't understand why he's so popular

Maybe because he gets things done?

But he doesn't! Look at all that dithering around over lockdowns leading to our abysmal death rate, to say nothing of failing to turn up to Cobra meetings whilst fucking off to Mustique, failing to sort out sensible PPE despite plenty of warning, dithering over care homes, and successive messes over test and trace because he was so anxious to give the contract to his incompetent friend Dido. How is all of that "getting things done"?

All politicians lie or rather change their story and beliefs to suit the political moment. That said if they open and honest about changing their mind or admitting they are wrong I can forgive.

What this country sees in Boris can only be charm. He really is (almost) as charmed and privileged as the Royal Family. He can afford to father tens of kids, pay for properties anywhere he wishes to live, and certainly pay for his own sofas wallpaper. He chooses not to because he is of wealth and has entitlement. He has nothing in common with most of Britain and yet he knows what's best for us? Keir might be boring but he hasn't had the voice training and support that Boris is able to tap into. Keir could also be a fine actor if he was given the same privileges'. The difference of course is that Keir has a proper job, worked crap hours, paid bills, had to save for a mortgage - just like most people and yet we hold him at arms length because he's not as charming. Shame on us really.

Updating the flat would have been a non issue if he'd been transparent about where the money for it came from.

I have zero interest in interior design and don't care what they choose to sit on/drink from - I do care about donors buying access without it going through the party books.

And politicians are not all the same - there are honest people in all of the parties. They just aren't trumpeted by the media. We've been taken down this path by media owners and their business interests - which loops back to why it's important that we should know who is buying access and favours.

The 'he gets things done' shtick was how Trump got elected. Turns out he could get fuck all done.

Same with Johnson. It's a populist narrative that can only last for so long.

Notonthestairs

Boris's defensiveness around updating the flat is partly because he knows full well that the "update" which has taken place is not infact an update in terms of maintaining a goverment property but was a ridiculously lavish and over the top expensive project undertaken by his fiance Carrie.

That, as much as "who paid for it" is the real issue.

@mustlovegin

cavalier attitude to Brexit

He acted upon what the majority voted

Well I hope the Brexit voters can live with their consciences then.

He doesn't seem to dither, bow down to pressure or go round in circles.

But before CushionAndWallpaperGate blew up,does the dithering about the lockdown, "shall we, shan't we, let the bodies pile up", look like someone resolute?