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Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

999 replies

Kendodd · 28/04/2021 07:24

My theory is that voters don't care.

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TomPinch · 29/04/2021 01:26

What bothers me more is the presence of all these mysterious advisors who all seem to be chums, who aren't answerable to anyone, and who don't seem to have any qualifications other than being young, posh, fashionable and smarmy. They certainly give no impression of being the best qualified for the job.

Cummings is just having a meltdown because the other chums kicked him out. He has no character.

Torvean · 29/04/2021 05:09

Scotland talked with their vote. We didn't vote them in England did. If we had an equal vote where each countries vote counted for the same the Tories would be out.

Same as leaving the EU the Tories and the ppl trying to disguise their racism as "concern over immigration numbers".

Stop voting Tory.

ilkleymoorbartat · 29/04/2021 06:54

I honestly don't understand people when they say they don't care about who payed for the flat as long as it wasn't the race later.

Do people not see the very slippery slope to living in a corrupt state if mates and donors are paying for things? The rules exist to prevent this. It's not all just about culture war stuff.

ilkleymoorbartat · 29/04/2021 06:54

** tax payer!

ivykaty44 · 29/04/2021 06:57

This isn’t simply political lies

It’s plotting to defraud a country and it’s citizens

There is a stark difference

PurplePansy05 · 29/04/2021 07:02

Yes regarding money. It makes me wonder who might be buying favours from him and why.

This.

This is the reason why we all should care.

For me personally, a guy who is a PM and his only skill is dodging every single question and/or blatantly lying to the public thinking we're that thick, rather than giving a straight answer, is not fit for office. In fact, in a private organisation, I would not promote someone like him to mid-level management, not to mention anything above that.

PurplePansy05 · 29/04/2021 07:09

And the fact he didn't declare it as he should says it all - it is defrauding the tax payer, indeed. Everyone gets hot on their heels when it comes to tax evaders, whereas the PM is allowed not to obey the law, accept a "donation", then hide it and pretend that's ok?

It's effectively a bridging loan if he has indeed paid it off in full eventually. These for every Tom, Dick and Harry come with interest, and not a low one either. If I want to renovate my house, I save up upfront, get a loan, and/or remortgage. No one bloody donates the money for me or gives £58k to me interest free. Whereas the PM is clearly above that and needs his poky JL flat occupied by him only through his public function done up asap on 0% interest?

Maybe he should have kept in his pants for once, he'd be richer had he avoided costly divorces and therefore could have saved up and avoided shady deals.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/04/2021 07:10

he's an appalling man- a disgrace to the office and an embarrassment to the country.

avocadotofu · 29/04/2021 07:11

Yes I care deeply. But I'm not surprised because he has a history of lying.

PurplePansy05 · 29/04/2021 07:16

Someone above said re Labour losing the plot and not being a sensible alternative, I agree. Unfortunately the damage done by Corbyn and his team is irreversible and Keir Starmer has to thread carefully. If it wasn't for Corbyn, we would not have been in the political mess we are in now. Lack of effective opposition that people can actually vote for is just as damaging as the governing political party and its leaders doing an awful job, it's a vicious circle.

Pottedpalm · 29/04/2021 07:17

@CwidlyDoo

I also don't care.

I used to be a Labour voter, but my trust in them was seriously eroded when the expenses scandal happened. That given the chance, so many MPs in different parties had their noses in the trough.

The Labour MP for my area claimed that his mother's home was his main residence and that his family home, where his wife and children lived was his second home in order to get tax paper money to do it up. He is still the MP. I still cannot vote for him.

Also never ever forgot that Tony Blair and his government heaped lots of debt onto hospitals with his PFI initiative. Of course there is also the illegal Iraq war whose consequences still claim many, many lives today.

Then there is the fact that while in power Labour did nothing to stop the decline of council and social housing and the increase of expensive private rentals. Why, because many of them , like Tony Blair were building their own rental portfolios.

I will always vote because so many people fought for the right to do so and many others around the world do not have the opportunity. But who to vote for is becoming harder and harder to decide, because too many MPs/candidates are are just vacuous, self serving hypocrites, of all persuasions. Maybe there are genuine sincere ones, but not that many.

So, as to who paid for flat redecorations, who Boris has slept with while still married, how many children he has, that he lies, I really, really don't care.

I agree.
Kendodd · 29/04/2021 07:18

Those who don't care who paid for the refurbishment of his flat, I assume you also don't care who paid for his holiday in Mustique?
What about if a donor or even foreign power, say, bought him a very expensive watch? Or a new car? Or even just gave him a pile of cash? Would you care then? And does this not caring about gifts politicians receive extend down to all politicians, even your local councillors?

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PurplePansy05 · 29/04/2021 07:18

You do realise that PFI was introduced by John Major, right?

Pottedpalm · 29/04/2021 07:19

I’m not interested in the ‘private’ life of any politician.

Kendodd · 29/04/2021 07:22

I should add accepting gift for donors and the covering up where the gifts came from, do you not care at all if politicians do this?

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ChristmasAlone · 29/04/2021 07:22

Man pays £58k for Boris Wallpaper* man happens to win public contacts worth £120m in the last couple of years. If this doesn't bother people i lose the will. No they don't a lie, they are not all the same.

*he also donated £3m to the Tory party.

Morgan12 · 29/04/2021 07:23

Yes and it's ridiculous that so many of you are okay with it.

Kendodd · 29/04/2021 07:25

Incidentally, the PM gets £30,000 a year to decorate/furnish his flat. Apparently Gordon Brown claimed zero.

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Kendodd · 29/04/2021 07:31

Another question the don't carers might what to ask themselves is 'why would anyone give all this expensive stuff to a politician?'

Bottom line if that if you don't care about the gifts and the lying, you don't care about corruption.
Does this not caring about corruption extend to all professions? Police? Judges?

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jaundicedoutlook · 29/04/2021 07:44

Criminal behaviour on the streets and lack of ethical standards in companies and wider society cannot be dissociated from the moral disintegration in modern British politics.

The last two decades have seen a terrifying decline in standards among the British governing elite. It has become acceptable for politicians to lie and to cheat and seek naked self advantage for themselves and their cronies. An almost universal culture of selfishness and greed has grown up.

If people cannot see that standards in public life, from the PM down, are directly related to this then I genuinely despair.

Iggly · 29/04/2021 07:47

Boris is off the scale when it comes to his lying. And he’s done it for so long, that people are immune to it.

However, the way it works in politics is - if people pay politicians be it via donors, flat refurbishments etc, they expect something in return.

And that something will, I can guarantee, be prioritised over the general population.

People don’t care because they don’t see it. But have a think, that general feeling of things being worse - that’s because things have been prioritised for the rich donors at the expense of most of us.

babyinthacorner · 29/04/2021 07:59

I care. I care a lot. I thought Cameron was bad. Then May. Now this and the prospect of Gove taking over. Truly horrifying.
As a PP said - you don’t get something for nothing. Nobody ‘just’ gives their friend tens if thousands of pounds.
And the fact that BJ refuses to answer the question - he was asked over and over at PMQs yesterday who initially paid for the refurbishment and every single time answered “I covered the cost”
He knows he’s in the wrong - again - and still refuses to tell the truth.
Vile man.

TomPinch · 29/04/2021 08:01

@Torvean

Scotland talked with their vote. We didn't vote them in England did. If we had an equal vote where each countries vote counted for the same the Tories would be out.

Same as leaving the EU the Tories and the ppl trying to disguise their racism as "concern over immigration numbers".

Stop voting Tory.

I don't think that we should do like Scotland. We might end up with PM whose friends try to get a political opponent locked up in prison.

That's a little worse than a stoush over some wallpaper.

Peregrina · 29/04/2021 08:07

I’m not interested in the ‘private’ life of any politician.

Who has paid for a refurbishment of a flat which he and his girlfriend are only living in by virtue of the Office he holds is not part of his private life.

For a man who whines that he finds it difficult to live on his £150,000 a year PM's salary, how likely is it that he just dipped into his pocket when the firms sent their bills in?

Gordon Brown may have claimed zero, and apparently Theresa May stayed within budget.

Foxhasbigsocks · 29/04/2021 08:08

I do care so voted yabu

But do all voters care? Sadly I think not

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