Page 13 | Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

Kendodd · 2021-04-28T06:24:36+00:00

My theory is that voters don't care.

Poppie363 · 28/04/2021 13:41

This 'but Labour' argument is so boring. So many Labour supporters (myself included) have the ability to condemn Labour leaders for doing wrong, I did not like Tony Blair either.

But it isn't relevant, we are talking about Boris Johnson.

If one of your children hit the other would you tell the child off or would you refuse to do or say anything because the other child did the same thing the week before?

Mittens030869 · 28/04/2021 13:47

Regarding the 'bodies piling up', that's very interesting considering Boris Johnson had covid himself, and nearly died.

Exactly. I have difficulty believing he made that statement for that very reason tbh. OTOH, Boris has form for hyperbole. Remember him saying that he would rather be dead in a ditch than agree to an extension of the Brexit deadline?

Anyway, he actually agreed to implement a second lockdown, so why the furore over that one comment? And if true, it means that lockdown isn’t a secret conspiracy to bring about a totalitarian state, as some posters on the Coronavirus board try to tell us.

However, that statement is a storm in a teacup, I think. The apparent cronyism and corruption is not and I think Labour are right to push for an enquiry.

So yes, I do care about Boris’s lies, but I’m hardly surprised as it’s nothing new.

Clavinova · 28/04/2021 13:53

I see that on top of the 10,000 ventilators James Dyson was asked [to try] to make, he also promised "to donate 5,000 machines to the international effort to treat Covid-19 patients, with 1,000 of the devices pledged to the UK."

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/airbus-dyson-firms-waiting-uk-green-light-produce-ventilators-coronavirus

Porcupineintherough · 28/04/2021 13:54

I care. It's one reason (of many ) that wouldn't vote for him.

Babygotblueyes · 28/04/2021 13:59

I think we have the right to expect people in public positions to behave with integrity. So yes, his lying and lack of shame about it are deeply concerning.

Devlesko · 28/04/2021 14:00

No, because they all lie, he's no different.

Quincie · 28/04/2021 14:03

I'm not sure why Labour and SNP are trying to get him to admit corrupt behaviour and I suppose to resign because if someone else takes over there is a good chance they will be much more popular than Boris - so then less hope of Labour winning seats in next election.
Rishi Sunack is popular - appears trustworthy - don't think he went to Eton. Immigrant background - win win win

nitsandwormsdodger · 28/04/2021 14:07

The Dyson things seems perfectly reasonable that he didn't want his workers penalised for helping out. I've no problem with that
£850 roll of walloaper shocking but no tax payers paid for it so again I don't care

Bearnecessity · 28/04/2021 14:07

Dynamo....your reply to my post speaks volumes...it says nothing...

jgw...Track and Trace couldn't have been any worse, it was a money consuming unholy cock up.....I don't believe it would have been any better under Labour.

BettysCardigan · 28/04/2021 14:23

The bodies pile high quote.

Why wouldn't you believe he said it? Bodies were piling high the entire time he was fixing tax deals for James Dyson in return for no ventilators whatsoever, and working out how to pass his friends £12 BILLION for a barely-functioning service.

He had literally already overseen bodies being piled high and frankly, didn't seem overly concerned about it. So why wouldn't he say it?

lazylinguist · 28/04/2021 14:24

Yes I care, but there are other things I care about more. Like the fact that I may well have to spoil my ballot paper at the next general election. Because as much as I do not want to, and will not, vote Tory, there are things about the other parties which will prevent me from voting for them even more than Boris Johnson's lies would prevent me from voting for him. And yes, they all lie anyway.

user1497207191 · 28/04/2021 14:27

@Bearnecessity

Dynamo....your reply to my post speaks volumes...it says nothing...

jgw...Track and Trace couldn't have been any worse, it was a money consuming unholy cock up.....I don't believe it would have been any better under Labour.

Track and trace could never have worked when people were giving false contact information or refusing to answer their phones.

SancerreSunsets · 28/04/2021 14:27

So many times with the 'I don't care because they all lie' baloney. What would you say to someone who said - 'My DD's teacher is awful'? Would you say, 'Oh well, they're all like that.' NO - because teachers are professionals and we expect them to meet certain standards. Apply the same to politicians. I wonder whether those who 'don't care' are feeling uncomfortable because they can see that the person they voted for and have subsequently subjected us all to, is both deceitful and incompetent, and this reflects poorly on their own judgement. Cognitive dissonance at work ... plus some Boris bots thrown in for good measure ... Peston has been dealing with some of those today apparently.

user1497207191 · 28/04/2021 14:28

@Quincie

I'm not sure why Labour and SNP are trying to get him to admit corrupt behaviour and I suppose to resign because if someone else takes over there is a good chance they will be much more popular than Boris - so then less hope of Labour winning seats in next election. Rishi Sunack is popular - appears trustworthy - don't think he went to Eton. Immigrant background - win win win

Rishi screwed up his chances by excluding 3 million self employed from the Covid support schemes.

user1497207191 · 28/04/2021 14:29

@SancerreSunsets

So many times with the 'I don't care because they all lie' baloney. What would you say to someone who said - 'My DD's teacher is awful'? Would you say, 'Oh well, they're all like that.' NO - because teachers are professionals and we expect them to meet certain standards. Apply the same to politicians. I wonder whether those who 'don't care' are feeling uncomfortable because they can see that the person they voted for and have subsequently subjected us all to, is both deceitful and incompetent, and this reflects poorly on their own judgement. Cognitive dissonance at work ... plus some Boris bots thrown in for good measure ... Peston has been dealing with some of those today apparently.

But we DO have to put up with some crap teachers, some crap doctors, etc.

Bearnecessity · 28/04/2021 14:32

User.....you are right..... I do think that was the least of their issues tho'.

DeclineandFall · 28/04/2021 14:34

I care. A lot. He's dishonest and incompetent. Even if the rest of us find his politics and persona repulsive surely Tory voters should be horrified and aspire to someone better.

It would be excellent if he was having an Al Capone moment over his flat decoration.

londongram · 28/04/2021 14:35

But we DO have to put up with some crap teachers, some crap doctors, etc. I have definitely heard teachers on here defending their colleague's right to be a bit crap because they all can't be brilliant - even the head of Ofsted suggested that crap teachers were good because they taught kids how to deal with crap people in the workplace.
The thing is we can't vote poor teachers or doctors out - we're stuck with them - so we have to try and make lemonade.

Mooloolabababy · 28/04/2021 14:35

I hate the dishonesty of this government. However, it seems par for the course and just seems like we can't do a thing about it. It's almost like, 'well the plebs don't need to know about that really and who gives a fuck what they think anyway, we're still going to do it"
I also REALLY hate the whole 'jobs for the boys' ethos. So much money is pissed away by to not choosing the right person for the job but by choosing someone's mate to do it instead. It's all very disheartening.

longwayoff · 28/04/2021 14:37

Rishi attended Winchester College, equivalent to Eton but rather more keen on manners. As you can see.

ssd · 28/04/2021 14:44

I think theres a big majority of tory voters who secretly admire him fir his pompous buffonery..almost as if hes doing what they would do if they had the balls

OnlyInYourDreams · 28/04/2021 14:45

So many times with the 'I don't care because they all lie' baloney. What would you say to someone who said - 'My DD's teacher is awful'? Would you say, 'Oh well, they're all like that.' NO - because teachers are professionals and we expect them to meet certain standards. Apply the same to politicians. I wonder whether those who 'don't care' are feeling uncomfortable because they can see that the person they voted for and have subsequently subjected us all to, is both deceitful and incompetent, and this reflects poorly on their own judgement. Cognitive dissonance at work ... plus some Boris bots thrown in for good measure ... Peston has been dealing with some of those today apparently. The difference is that there are some decent teachers. There is no such thing as a politician with integrity.

I don’t doubt that some start out with the best of intentions, but in politics it’s very much a case of “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.” And so they all end up the same.

Rather than scrutinising one politician we need to be looking at how we can change politics in this country to a system which will actually benefit society. Because as things stand at the moment there is nobody who is up to the job. Even if Boris were to go because of any of this it won’t change the face of politics. So we need to concentrate on the bigger picture.

And exactly what are the media trying to detract from here by going on and on about BJ’s flat rather than what’s happening in India which is far more relevant to the world we live in.

I couldn’t give a stuff about his flat. After all, when he’s gone the flat will still be there won’t it?

SancerreSunsets · 28/04/2021 14:51

There are politicians with integrity. Take Dominic Grieve for example. I'm not generally a Tory voter, but he has integrity by the bucket load - a thoroughly decent man who takes his role seriously - unfortunately no longer in office, but such are the times we live in. We need to stop with this assertion that there are no decent politicians - there are, but the PM is not one of them.

HerLadySheep · 28/04/2021 14:58

@SancerreSunsets

There are politicians with integrity. Take Dominic Grieve for example. I'm not generally a Tory voter, but he has integrity by the bucket load - a thoroughly decent man who takes his role seriously - unfortunately no longer in office, but such are the times we live in. We need to stop with this assertion that there are no decent politicians - there are, but the PM is not one of them.

I absolutely agree and this is why having Major Corruption, Boris the Liar as PM is so terrible, it encourages people to think "all politicians are the same"

Well no, they're not!

There are a good many honourable politicians who do not lie but they are all tarred with the same brush due to the holder of the highest office being an absolute lying scumbag who repeatedly gets away with it!

This is just another reason why keeping him in office is so dangerous - it drags expectations of all politicians down to his level.

Lizzieee2727 · 28/04/2021 15:26

Yes. Not just him though, the whole cabinet are sh1te. I'm just fed up that there are never any repercussions for what they do. The constant lying, bullying, what is essentially gross misconduct and nothing is done so they just carry on as they were. Any other job and they'd be out but despite the high level position they have apparently acting for the people it's ok?