Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

[Kendodd]

My theory is that voters don't care.

... exactly as I would expect him to ... that is

@Moonstone1234

Woke issues will destroy the Labour Party and until they get to grips with that and get rid of the student politics the Conservatives will get in time and time again.

Alan Johnson summed it up perfectly on election night when he sat next to the Head of Momentum (and Alan was IN the Labour party!). He was brilliant. Labour need more these people.

Fully agree.

Agree that Labour have lost their way. All they do now is use the same individualistic worldview as the Tories but apply the filter of identity politics to it. They need to go back to collectivism and ditch the increasingly convoluted attempts to classify and sub classify every single life circumstance into their deranged grid of victimhood hierarchy.

It was very difficult for people when they chose to vote last time Boris was Boris for all his folibles which some found too much. But he was the only one promising he would get the UK out of the EU.

Labour were flip flopping around and sitting on the fence, asking for another referendum and just basically not committing to anything.

Corbyn (well best not say anything about him and the way he comes across) didnt seem to like the UK, seemed more concerned about overseas issues and if I can use Johnson's words 'a disaster'.

So, we have got what we have got. Boris and Nigel Farage seem like they can connect with the people. They are one of us and dont pretend to be perfect.

Will Boris be forgiven for this? Maybe - although Cummings must have loads of dirt on him. We are due the travel announcement next week and I for one am definitely looking forward to it. It could lift the mood and the restaurants will be open soon too (inside - I am fed up of eating outside!)

Anyone complaining about lockdowns...
They did almost nothing to stop the virus entering the UK. Not when it started and not now. Why was that? It doesn't make sense.

They weren't supposed to stop it entering the UK - it was already there. They were designed to stop it spreading like wildfire and I haven't seen any reliable evidence that it didn't work.

But. The UK is a flipping island it would have been very easy to close the boarders, test the few necessary I comers there would have been and quarantine anyone with a positive result. Korea and New Zealand managed it, so did other nations.

That would have taken real leadership, and Johnson doesn't have that. Too busy appeasing those who have him in their pockets, possibly.

The Dyson thing - it would, of course, have been entirely reasonable for James Dyson to cover extra tax bills and sort it out afterwards. He has plenty of money. It is rathervtellingvthstvthe first thing he thought of was saving lives rather than, say, money. How Johnson didn't point that out rather than "I'm First Lord of The Treasury'" I can't imagine.

Johnson isn't a problem solver.

Bloody hell, Hugh Grant in character from Live Actually would be a better PM.

This isn't about Labour, its about BORIS.

He's an adult and should have a moral compass.

Quite. Let's keep the spotlight on the point, which is Boris and his dishonesty.

@Darker is right. The issue isn't a general election or whataboutery. It's about the leadership of our current Government with Johnson as PM.

More bluff and bluster at PMQs.

@frumpety

Corruption is at the heart of every politician. If they weren't corrupt, they wouldn't be where they are, and they would certainly never advance high.

If that were true and I am fairly sure it isn't, does that mean you should just expect and accept it ? No censure or accountability, ever, regardless of what they do ?

Unless you're going to organise for the whole of the British public to down tools and protest essentially until the current government is kicked out and replaced with human beings that have brains and souls, then what is the point in getting upset about it? They will get voted back in. We in scotland will continue to have a woman who is just happy she made it out of the most recent drama without losing too many votes. She will actually have gained popularity no doubt.

There should be accountability for all politicians, the majority deserve time in prison for all that they've done. But it will never ever happen. The majority don't care about change, the majority are only out to help themselves. This is how we got brexit, and it's why people acted the way they did last year in the first lockdown. People only think of themselves, they will not unite to get rid of a corrupt government. So we are forever stuck with them.

Just look out for yourself and don't get upset about the assholes at the top. They do not care about us, only their money.

Yes I care, which is why I never voted for the useless piece of turd in the first place.

@Darker

This isn't about Labour, its about BORIS.

He's an adult and should have a moral compass.

He's a politician, they have them surgically removed when they sign up for a seat!

And if Boris can remain more popular than Labour you do have to consider if they remain a viable party!

NZ and Aus are miles from anywhere with relatively tiny populations. They don't have a magic wand, they were just lucky that many things fell in their favour

Nz & Aus weren't LUCKY. They locked down HARD & FAST. Yes they are more remote with smaller populations, which undoubtedly helps BUT it was their ACTIONS that made the difference.

I'm fed up of people saying it was luck. Nope they'd have been properly in the shit too if they hadn't taken the swift & decisive action that they took.

Stop minimising what they did.

They all lie. But this one is something else. Bodies pulled high? Absolutely vile and shocking.

So fed up with all the 'they all lie' comments which seek to let Johnson off the hook. What lies did former Tories like Grieve tell? What lies does Yvette Cooper tell? What about Ken Clarke - what were his lies? There are decent politicians out there who do not lie habitually and who genuinely aim to represent their constituents in a honourable way. Why accept the likes of Johnson - are we all just happy to lay down and be shafted? I'm fortunate to have an MP with a lot of integrity who I value and trust. He may not be 'hilarious' and have a ridiculous hairstyle, but I am pleased he is my representative. Are you happy for Johnson to be your representative on the world stage ... seriously?

I care. I am very confused by people going on about how 'all politicians lie' 'Blair lied'. Okay does that make it alright then? You can still condemn Boris Johnson for lying and stop being so bloody partisan.

If I turned up to work and lied as Boris Johnson does I would lose my job. In fact, he himself lost his own job for lying.

If you genuinely don't care about this I assume you are as morally bankrupt as Johnson and in turn as others have said, you have the party you deserve.

It is a shame for the rest of us though.

@SancerreSunsets Hear hear. No excuses for Johnson.

He got a bit rattled at PMQs. Think it is getting to him.

@DollyParton2

To me this entire situation says far more about Cummings than it does Boris. Cummings a man who was given so much opportunity by Boris and was a close friend. He’s now so bitter he’s sold his old boss/ friend out - scheming, vindictive, bitchy, sociopathic. Who on earth would want to be PM during an unexpected, unplanned for pandemic? The most stressful situation this country has faced in +50 years. Of course meetings were heated. Emotional. Of course he would have said things in the heat of the moment under intense pressure he didn't mean but regrets. Don’t we all do this??? To me: yes, this is nothing significant but I just want stability and this row over “he said she said...” is childish, pathetic and not helpful.

This.

I care, but I didn't vote for him. He's got a decent majority and everyone knew he was a liar before the last election.

I'm disappointed in our country. Nothing he's done wasn't predictable.

Also people are claiming they don't care as long as they have a Prime Minister who does what is right for Britain. He has not done what is right for Britain though. We have one of the worst death rates in the world, the economy is dire, children's education has been completely messed up and he couldn't even lead the country and decide to lock us down for Christmas and consequently people died.

Don't pretend you care about ordinary people and what is right for Britain. If you really cared about this, you would be outraged that Boris Johnson was doing backhand ventilator deals with his friend Mr Dyson in Singapore and not ordinary British businesses who has the ability and expertise to produce the ventilators. How many did Dyson produce by the way? None.

i don't care. look at how labour behaved when they were last in power. all political parties imo will have some form of corruption going on but you just need to vote for the party you think will do the best and align most with your views. look at the SNP up in Scotland, they seem to have a scandal most weeks but are still v popular!

The pandemic wasn't unpredictable, it has been our number one threat for years. We couldn't predict the timing, but government definitely knew it was likely at some point. SARs & MERS both happened quite recently and foreshadowed Covid 19. We had stockpiles of ppe, had run national training exercises, had a vaccine in development, the genetic testing capacity.. we had been preparing for years and should not have had a death toll among the highest in the world.

How did Labour behave when they were last in power? did they shower their mates and their lovers with public money?

Are you referring to Blair's lies about WMD? What happened then? a million people took to the streets, that's what happened. The repurcussions of that went on for YEARS. Still going on, tbh. He was an authoritarian leader, though, and my guess is that if we'd had a pandemic then he would have had the UK in lockdown with closed borders the minute it became clear what was happening in Milan and Genoa.

Politicians lie? Dennis Skinner? Theresa May? Tony Benn? Michael Helseltine? Well, he got in hot water over Westland and it killed his aspirations to be PM stone dead. And he is a critic of Johnson as not being in the spirit of the Tory party. And it comes to something when I'm siding with Michael sodding Heseltine on something.

Boris models himself on a Roman Tribune of the Plebs.

He thinks he knows how to manage the people. A bit of rousing rhetoric from time to time, a few bones thrown here and there, some high profile games from time to time and they will be happy. Plebs have short memories and can be easily manipulated.

Given the way the country has reacted over the past few years he might be right.

I don't care, really. Those who are outraged can all be discounted unless they can convincingly say they'd be demanding the resignation of their own favoured party leader if they too were caught out in mistruths.

Sometimes I wonder if party politics is even worth the grief. I'd honestly rather the country was run by competent professionals than by popularity contest winners.

The pandemic has shown this so clearly. Being good at public speaking is in no way an indicator of an ability to balance priorities in the face of a new and fatal virus. There should have been an emergency, cross party government.