Do you have a side hustle?

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If so what it is and how much do you make pcm?

I have seen LOADS on my sm recently and I’m so curious about them.

I don't have the time, patience or the energy but my husband does. He has a double decker London bus that he hires out for weddings, promo events , film work or just to take the local kids out for a jaunt. He's itching to buy another one , only a single decker : An AEC Regal RF. OMG, why do I know that

[quote Inneedofanewwardrobe]@sweetclems what kind of blog?[/quote]
Recipes... mainly desserts

@sweetclems

I have a blog and my income varies... some months I make 8k others 1.5k

love this. Do you have any advice on running a blog? What is your blog name if you don't mind me asking.

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The poster who replies to me on page 1 then confused restrictive covenants preventing someone working for a competitor on leaving your job fir a limited time 8eriod with a clause in your current contract preventing you from taking on other paid work.

That poster also indicated that nothing you do outwith your working time can affect your employment, which is obviously untrue.

I did not confuse restrictive covenants. You assumed that was what I was talking about but I wasn't.

An employee, in common law, cannot be precludes by their employer from taking on other work. However, the employer does usually say in the employment contract that employees may not take other jobs, but this is a breach of your human rights. The employer does have rights too, one of which is to protect their business and therefore they can prevent you taking a second job with a competitor (or dismiss you if they found you have breached this clause).

So if you were an investment banker at JP Morgan (ignoring FCA rules which are additional) then they could take action if you had a second role at Chase. But they would not win a case if your second role was at Tesco. It a side hustle selling macrame on Etsy.

And if you reread my post, I did not say nothing you do outside your working time can affect your employment. Also, I replied in the context of this thread.

I'm surprised you have such a "professional" role when your comprehension is so poor.

I'll ignore the bit about dodgy income where people don't pay tax as that has been covered. But suffice to say, I do short term work and usually in a regulated industry and both myself and my Ltd company are background checked every time and there's no way I'd get a job if there was a hint of impropriety.

@VanGoghsDog

The poster who replies to me on page 1 then confused restrictive covenants preventing someone working for a competitor on leaving your job fir a limited time 8eriod with a clause in your current contract preventing you from taking on other paid work.

That poster also indicated that nothing you do outwith your working time can affect your employment, which is obviously untrue.

I did not confuse restrictive covenants. You assumed that was what I was talking about but I wasn't.

An employee, in common law, cannot be precludes by their employer from taking on other work. However, the employer does usually say in the employment contract that employees may not take other jobs, but this is a breach of your human rights. The employer does have rights too, one of which is to protect their business and therefore they can prevent you taking a second job with a competitor (or dismiss you if they found you have breached this clause).

So if you were an investment banker at JP Morgan (ignoring FCA rules which are additional) then they could take action if you had a second role at Chase. But they would not win a case if your second role was at Tesco. It a side hustle selling macrame on Etsy.

And if you reread my post, I did not say nothing you do outside your working time can affect your employment. Also, I replied in the context of this thread.

I'm surprised you have such a "professional" role when your comprehension is so poor.

I'll ignore the bit about dodgy income where people don't pay tax as that has been covered. But suffice to say, I do short term work and usually in a regulated industry and both myself and my Ltd company are background checked every time and there's no way I'd get a job if there was a hint of impropriety.

I'm surprised you have such a "professional" role when your comprehension is so poor.

I'm surprised you are so obsessed with this and so intent on insulting me over a post on mumsnet. Perhaps you would like to rephrase your post above without being rude and insulting?

I hardly think anyone wants to be embroiled in a court case, having paid a couple of thousand up front to be legally represented, with their employer, or to be dismissed for being in breach of contract, trying to argue the point in court or in a tribunal.

Perhaps you would also like to state exactly which human right you think an employer breaches by including such a clause? I'm really fascinated to find this out. And whether you think it comes from the Charter or the ECHR? Honestly fascinated.

Lets just say I had a certain role in the past. It was stated quite clearly in my contract of employment that I was not to take on other paid or voluntary "work" in my spare time. Quite a standard clause in many contracts of employment. I then wanted to lecture at a local university in the evenings. I informed my employers, they wrote back asking me to clarify how many maximum hours would be involved, and I was granted permission. It was made quite clear to me that a maximum of 5 extraneous working hours only were permitted. Thats what happens to real people with certain (not all jobs), in the real world, away from your fantasy world where you imagine human rights to be impinged by a reasonable contract term (the only basis for which is if you are still confusing restrictive covenants for future work).

Can I just also point out that the common law terms are quite long established, and there isn't a recognised "right of an employer to protect their business". There are common law employee rights to a safe system of working and to have competent fellow work colleagues (both of which might be infringed by a particularly tired employee who worked elsewhere) and to be shown respect by their employer but again, I'm left wondering precisely which common law right you are thinking of here.

My "extra income" is entirely related to my paid employment.

I work part time in a fundraising role. I freelance as a fundraiser for other charities/community groups.

My employer is aware and supportive (especially as it means I'm not looking for full time work and can stay with my charity which is a passion of mine). I make sure there's no conflict of interest between the charity I am employed by and the groups I freelance for.

I used to do this very ad hoc. Maybe a maximum of 10 days a year, but I might have picked up a 4 day a month contract. 🤞🏻

I'm registered with HMRC and pay tax/NI on my earnings.

Pyewacket
That made me laugh.

I didn’t know the term side hustle was so controversial
A few of my friends have different side hustles ones a personal shopper she sources hard to get designer items and charges a fee or sells them at a mark up.
Another friend does hair, she’s extremely talented at braids and cornrows. And one imports human hair extensions and lashes and sells them.
All in really successful corporate jobs but wanted to have multiple streams of income.

“Lets just say I had a certain role in the past. “

You’ve got yourself a deal

Matched betting! Make around £2k a month. Last month made over £4K.

@Hesontrial

“Lets just say I had a certain role in the past. “

You’ve got yourself a deal

I'm still waiting to hear which human rights are breached by employment contract clauses requiring an employee only to work for one full time employer...honestly fascinated.

I currently work part time teaching and would love to start up with a bit of freelance writing on my days off. Keep getting paralysed by various things but this thread is giving me motivation!

Perhaps you would also like to state exactly which human right you think an employer breaches by including such a clause? I'm really fascinated to find this out. And whether you think it comes from the Charter or the ECHR? Honestly fascinated.

Article 8, ECHR. I assume your Google is broken?

And no, I am not confusing restrictive covenants.

You have shown yourself exactly what I am saying, that the term may be in the contract but it does not actually preclude it happening. Your employer stated it in the contract (as I said was common), you asked permission (which is what most contract clauses say) and they allowed it within certain parameters. All totally normal. I have had to make many similar decisions for employees myself.

Everything in your recent post agrees entirely with what I have said.

The information for people reading is that, generally, your employer cannot stop you having a second job, or a side hustle.

Can I ask all the pp who said they write- what sort of writing do you do? Like for websites, magazines, books, something else?
And how did you get into that?! Do you just pitch an idea?

@VanGoghsDog

Perhaps you would also like to state exactly which human right you think an employer breaches by including such a clause? I'm really fascinated to find this out. And whether you think it comes from the Charter or the ECHR? Honestly fascinated.

Article 8, ECHR. I assume your Google is broken?

And no, I am not confusing restrictive covenants.

You have shown yourself exactly what I am saying, that the term may be in the contract but it does not actually preclude it happening. Your employer stated it in the contract (as I said was common), you asked permission (which is what most contract clauses say) and they allowed it within certain parameters. All totally normal. I have had to make many similar decisions for employees myself.

Everything in your recent post agrees entirely with what I have said.

The information for people reading is that, generally, your employer cannot stop you having a second job, or a side hustle.

Really boring.

I'd love to know more about blogging and writing as a side hustle.

I would like to write about surviving domestic abuse and other traumatic experiences, focusing on and how I managed / am managing to pull myself through PTSD via various channels such as talking therapy, group therapy, creative writing and arts / crafts.

I have an art page on Instagram which I started under a year ago. I have over 2k followers which I still can't believe! But I'd love to expand and try to reach out and help those who have similar experiences.

I wonder if this is something that could work. I really need to get my arse in gear and look into it. Any thoughts would be appreciated ❤️

@Nogardenersworld

Can I ask all the pp who said they write- what sort of writing do you do? Like for websites, magazines, books, something else? And how did you get into that?! Do you just pitch an idea?

I started with my own blog and just published stuff on a regular basis. I promoted it via the usual social media and then this got picked up by some online websites and they asked me to write a few articles for them. It took off from there. I then started training/speaking based on the topics I was blogging about

I sell digital downloads on Etsy and make about £1000 a month from it.

I like the term 'side husle.'

“Really boring”

Pmsl

@VanGoghsDog

Perhaps you would also like to state exactly which human right you think an employer breaches by including such a clause? I'm really fascinated to find this out. And whether you think it comes from the Charter or the ECHR? Honestly fascinated.

Article 8, ECHR. I assume your Google is broken?

And no, I am not confusing restrictive covenants.

You have shown yourself exactly what I am saying, that the term may be in the contract but it does not actually preclude it happening. Your employer stated it in the contract (as I said was common), you asked permission (which is what most contract clauses say) and they allowed it within certain parameters. All totally normal. I have had to make many similar decisions for employees myself.

Everything in your recent post agrees entirely with what I have said.

The information for people reading is that, generally, your employer cannot stop you having a second job, or a side hustle.

I don't need Google to look up Article 8. Emoymebt clauses requiring you to only work for one employer are not in breach of the right to private life and are simply a reasonable contractual clause.

If someone breaches their contract of employment, they face being dismissed for gross misconduct.

The internet can be full of uninformed nonsense, but please stop trying to mislead people like this when you clearly don't understand what you're talking about.

Yes obviously it will depend on the job and whether or not there is such a clause, but seriously?

What on earth is wrong with you?

If you want to be a lawyer, go and train to be one, qualify and work.

Generally speaking the sort of "work" that can be done at home, in hours that don't require childcare, with little/no exceptional skillset, result in actual profit that is a fraction of what could be earned from paid employment. So no, no "side hustles" in this house.

The people I know who have them are predominantly women and commit a lot of hours for pennies in return.

@Nogardenersworld

Can I ask all the pp who said they write- what sort of writing do you do? Like for websites, magazines, books, something else? And how did you get into that?! Do you just pitch an idea?

Day job, I’m a copy and content writer so this is essentially marketing. My agency specialises in eco and diversity brands - basically fighting against purposewash in advertising. Pick a niche subject or service (eg web copy, emails, product descriptions, blogs.)

Freelance - I write articles and essays for magazines and online publications. If this is what you’d like to do, check out ‘freedom with writing’ - they do a weekly list of paying publications.

If you want to write creatively, it’s a different kettle of fish altogether. I do a mix of traditional (with agent and publisher) and self-publishing. Join groups, write, practice and learn. There’s a lot of investment in self publishing- you need an editor, cover and layout designer, marketing.

Thank you @BuckysArm I’d like to write for magazines / newspapers
I will definitely have a look into that. I feel like I don’t know where to start and what subjects to write about, but I definitely do so I’m just trying to think about that for now

@Nogardenersworld

Thank you *@BuckysArm* I’d like to write for magazines / newspapers I will definitely have a look into that. I feel like I don’t know where to start and what subjects to write about, but I definitely do so I’m just trying to think about that for now

Excellent! I’d suggest starting with a list of everything you know well/have experienced, things you find interesting and people you’ve met. Just to get the ideas coming! I’d also say have a look at medium.com - it’s not easy to actually make a living there (though people do) but it is a great source of info and inspiration.