To ask if you think most people will be ok job wise

[LemonSherbetFancies]

After coronavirus and that redundancies have been over predicted for the future?

[rarat]

I find the backlash against furlough pretty strange tbh.
I thought it was a good thing

[RedcurrantPuff]

@Anonmousse

I think your latter point has been very evident on here, the sneering pass remarkable types who want lockdown in their nice homes with secure wfh jobs to continue forever and make snide comments about people wanting to go to the pub/primark. Not one thought about the people who work there who will end up on the dole.

I've noticed this. People judging that people want to rush out and get pissed (as opposed to maybe just see friends for a drink or older people who havent seen anyone for months) and not even mentioning that actually pub owners, staff and associated businesses will be desperate for it yo be open. Things like hotels, pubs, entertainment support many other jobs - from caterers, food and drink, breweries, cleaning companies, laundry, printers who do menus etc it's not just the people who work there.
My DH made an employee redundant last year. We were both gutted about it as we knew them well. DH has passed on clients to him, allowed him to use work space free of charge and really chuffed when he got a job interview. Another friend of mine was made redundant and I passed on a job ad I saw that was in her field and asked her how it's going. I'm really happy for her that she got another job.

That’s so true about the knock on effect. That was nice of your husband too. My husband’s work had to make a number of people redundant and the head chef phoned round contacts and got them all other work

Most people I know including former colleagues sent me info and stuff about jobs, I really appreciated it.

[RaspberryCoulis]

DH works in aviation. We're worried.

[rarat]

I do think emotive " The ones with jobs won't care" comments are a bit silly. What are they supposed to do ? Not work so they don't take a job from others ?

Not be like my aunt who moans about the TV license, the NHS payrise, the lack of new treatments on the NHS, the lazy people spreading covid on the beaches then they should get a job.
She does this whilst simultaneously breaking covid to get her hair done, went to her holiday home abroad, still sees friends, is very well off & oh yes chronic condition so is meant to be shielding 🤦‍♀️

[EileenGC]

Not in my industry, not for a few years anyway. I’m in performing arts and they’ve used Covid as an excuse to make cuts almost everywhere and reduce those called essential to the business. Quality will suffer, people’s incomes will suffer, yet they’re planning on still having sold out shows from June and maintain similar gains. This is before we get into Brexit as the transition in January obviously couldn’t happen, so no one has actually gone through it yet or knows how bad it will be. But I have colleagues who have been offered work in the EU for the summer and can’t say yes because a visa is £200+, and then there is equipment passports and insurance (previously goods were free to transport and a UK policy covered EU). For a project that pays £300, you’d be spending upwards of £500 on paperwork. Not worth it. So international touring, which is the main source of income for many, will literally go out of the window.

This is in the UK, luckily the situation in Europe isn’t as bad and we’ve been working throughout the pandemic and hopefully will continue to do so.

[rarat]

I wouldn't have thought supermarket jobs were safe.

would not wouldn't

[GlitterGiraffe13]

@LemonSherbetFancies

What's the difference between social contact and social distancing?

Wait..did you think life was going 100% back to normal in June?

Social contact means you'll be able to hug friends and family again, you'll be able to have as many people as you want at weddings and funerals, you'll be able to go inside friends and families homes again.

This is step three on the roadmap (if you look at it theres a seperate section for Social Distancing which explains it has it's own review)

Social Distancing means that theatres can operate at 100% capacity and shops won't have limits on numbers, flights can be full ect

Obviously at the moment most of the West end theatres have pushed back their opening dates to late August/Early September in the hope they'll be able to open at full capacity again, and they're doing the Pilots for large events and sporting events..

It's worth remembering June was never a confirmed date.. the roadmap even says "We hope to reopen remaining premises, including nightclubs, and ease the restrictions on large events and performances that apply in Step 3. This will be subject to the results of a scientific Events Research Programme to test the outcome of certain pilot events through the spring and summer, where we will trial the use of testing and other techniques to cut the risk of infection. The same Events Research Programme will guide decisions on whether all limits can be removed on weddings and other life events."

[mogsrus]

there will be a few cinemas never reopen again either,more jobs gone

[CornishGem1975]

I would have thought the majority of jobs that were going to be lost have been lost already, and from this point on, with things starting to reopen up, the situation will start to improve.

I've seen SO many jobs advertised recently around here, especially in hospitality, also surprisingly, new restaurants etc already planning to open up. I think it will take some industries longer than others to repair but I feel hopeful.

[Fizbosshoes]

I think a lot of people are unaware the costs that businesses are incurring. Obviously furlough covers staff wages, and there is business rate relief, but so many fixed costs are ongoing and not neccessarily covered by grants etc. Rent, utilities, security, licence agreements, insurance policies etc. I saw the owner of several bars/ night clubs on tv and they were losing millions (before the current lockdown).They had had one loan from the bank and were applying for another....but it wont be sustainable for businesses to get deeper and deeper into debt.

[EileenGC]

I would have thought the majority of jobs that were going to be lost have been lost already, and from this point on, with things starting to reopen up, the situation will start to improve.

Not the case in my industry. People have been kept in limbo, ‘we’re hoping we can all be back on stage soon’. Now that they can start planning reopening, they are reducing numbers and operating at smaller capacity, laying off many people in the process. They’ve waited until now to give the bad news.

[TheOneWithTheBigNose]

I would have thought the majority of jobs that were going to be lost have been lost already, and from this point on, with things starting to reopen up, the situation will start to improve

No, the true scale of job losses will only be felt when furlough ends.

[CornishGem1975]

@TheOneWithTheBigNose

I would have thought the majority of jobs that were going to be lost have been lost already, and from this point on, with things starting to reopen up, the situation will start to improve

No, the true scale of job losses will only be felt when furlough ends.

I guess that's true enough.

I don't actually know anyone left on furlough now, they all returned to work or (more likely) was made redundant back in the Autumn.

I hadn't really considered the number of people still on furlough in other industries.

[Babyroobs]

@CornishGem1975

I would have thought the majority of jobs that were going to be lost have been lost already, and from this point on, with things starting to reopen up, the situation will start to improve.

I've seen SO many jobs advertised recently around here, especially in hospitality, also surprisingly, new restaurants etc already planning to open up. I think it will take some industries longer than others to repair but I feel hopeful.

I agree, all our local pubs and restaurants seem to be advertising for bar staff and serving staff. presumably the ones that were furloughed have moved on to new jobs.

[AlexaRain]

@GlitterGiraffe13

What's happened is all the people in higher positions/long service have been made redundant and have gone down a few rungs on the ladder..meaning those of us already at the bottom (through no fault of our own, I just haven't been alive to have 20 years experience in the workplace yet, I only graduated a couple of years ago) are absolutely screwed..So no..I don't feel i'm okay job wise..

You make a good point. This happened to me. I was made redundant, I've joined the public sector but I'm working at a pay grade lower than previously. It's not too bad financially (as I'm saving a fortune WFH) but I am planning on moving up, once the right role comes up - not sure when that will be.

[LemonSherbetFancies]

Well life will pretty much be back to normal in June if we are able to meet with family and friends,no limit on numbers etc won't it?

[EileenGC]

Life back to normal? No limit on numbers? Where are you getting this from? I hope all of this happens, but it’s likely restrictions will be here for a while. Jobs don’t suddenly come back once restrictions are gone either. The job has died, and the person doing it might or might not have found another one. It’s going to be tough for many families.

[AlexaRain]

@LemonSherbetFancies

Well life will pretty much be back to normal in June if we are able to meet with family and friends,no limit on numbers etc won't it?

We've been told that we will be at 40% capacity in the office from June and priority will be given to those who can't work from home (which doesn't include me). So no, not back to normal. That 60% of people not buying train tickets, lunch, coffee, work clothes, petrol. Not bothering to upgrade their car because it's hardly being used.

[GintyMcGinty]

@LemonSherbetFancies no limit on numbers

There are going to be limits on numbers. I wish their weren't but there are.

[ClarkeGriffin]

I really hope they've over estimated. Maybe they have, people may have changed their habits, but they will swiftly change them back again I imagine quickly when they can. It will start with 'oh one day down the pub then go on' and in a few weeks time it's nearly every night again.

[LemonSherbetFancies]

So all restrictions will not be eased in May then? The media have misled a lot of people in that case. I was not alone in thinking that everything would go back to normal at this point. In terms of no masks, no social distancing, no limits on numbers, packed theatres and stadiums etc.

[XingMing]

Hospitality is already re-opening. DS had a PT gig at an Asian restaurant (he's studying at uni but was a chef before starting) pre-lockdown and is already back in work for two shifts a week, and they can't even do indoor dining yet. The catastrophising is being heavily over cooked IMO.

[AlexaRain]

@LemonSherbetFancies

So all restrictions will not be eased in May then? The media have misled a lot of people in that case. I was not alone in thinking that everything would go back to normal at this point. In terms of no masks, no social distancing, no limits on numbers, packed theatres and stadiums etc.

As far as I'm aware. No, we won't suddenly be back to normal in June.

Social distancing, masks will remain. For me this means continuing to WFH.

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong?

[VaizyCrazyDaizy]

I have a relative who works in finance who says jobs are going to be harder to come by as office space is no longer a viable cost to companies. He was the boss now he is self employed and all his massive office block has gone, that was hundreds of people. Hundreds who won’t be shopping, buying lunches, travel tickets and all looking for any job at all.

[Anonmousse]

I think the 21st June was mooted as the earliest that most restrictions would be eased if everything goes to plan. I dont know if we were promised everything back to 2019 levels though...?