To ask if you think most people will be ok job wise

[LemonSherbetFancies]

After coronavirus and that redundancies have been over predicted for the future?

[Fairyliz]

Nope I think a lot of employers will see that wfh works, but why pay someone £40k to do a job in London when it can be done for £10k in another part of the world.

[PhilCornwall1]

It's a pretty sound bet though that most people who keep their jobs won't give a stuff about those who don't.

What do you expect them to do for the people that have lost their jobs?

[drpet49]

I know 3 people who got made redundant last summer. All 3 found news jobs in same industry and job role almost straight away. Two were in specialised roles.

[Francescaisstressed]

Partners mum and dad have both been made redundant in the last week.
Also have two freinds in their twenties who have lost their job during this lockdown and haven't been able to find anything else.
No, I don't think jobs are safe and imagine lots of people will be struggling for a long time after this, as lots of people already are.

[alwayswrighty]

I managed to keep my job during the redundancies at our company last year. Husband not so lucky and has taken a job with a 30k pay cut. He's a Chef so we were lucky a local nursing home was looking but it's been tough as our wages barely cover the bills.

[ouchmyfeet]

@LemonSherbetFancies

Yes, I am starting to believe everything will return to normal very soon. The high street and restaurants are booming right now and the UK hospitality will o extremely well this summer.

I think this is naive. UK hospitality is largely indoors. It isn't operating anywhere near its capacity and won't be able to this summer.

[CliftonGreenYork]

I am a manager at John Lewis and am being made redundant along with another 3000 JL Partners. We have closed 16 stores in the past year and lots of retailers are struggling. I am lucky as getting an amazing redundancy package but, its still bloody hard after 10 years with them.

[beginningoftheend]

@LemonSherbetFancies

Yes, I am starting to believe everything will return to normal very soon. The high street and restaurants are booming right now and the UK hospitality will o extremely well this summer.

I can understand the comfort in thinking that but have you read anything from industrial or economic experts that backs up your belief?

I went to my high street yesterday, it was only about 50% of what I would normally see on a sunny Saturday. A considerable number of shops have closed permanently. Some sectors are not even starting to reopen.

Look at businesses like theatres. Are they booming? Shut.

There's a lot you can't see I think.

[notanothertakeaway]

I think there will be lots of job losses. Many people will pribably find alternative work, but likely on worse terms than before. It'll be an employers' market

[beginningoftheend]

And bloody Brexit is going to cause loads of job losses, far more than covid, so if you voted leave don't start moaning now.

[BlusteryLake]

You also have to consider that whilst businesses and establishments in the hardest hit sectors of hospitality, travel and entertainment may appear to still be afloat at the moment, great swathes of them have nearly used up all their reserves so are in a very precarious position. Also those who work in commercial lettings will see permanent changes to their industry's landscape as many employers plan to reduce the size of their office to allow a degree of homeworking.

[rarat]

Maybe it will be normal again although I know a fair few who have saved a significant amount & are saying they won't go back to eating out etc as much.

I think the wfh will make transport cost more & in inner city areas the infrastructure that supports commuting/office work will shrink. I don't know anyone going back to 5 days a wk in the office.

[rarat]

What will happen to the vast majority like it did in 08 is wage stagnation which didn't start to recover until 2018. And more zero hours jobs.

[rarat]

Nope I think a lot of employers will see that wfh works, but why pay someone £40k to do a job in London when it can be done for £10k in another part of the world.

I don't actually see this because above is far too simplistic but because changes within the UK

[HolesInTheGrass]

I was in the supermarket yesterday and I overheard two older men who it seemed used to drink in the same pub talking about how they couldn't believe how much money they had now because they haven't been going to the pub. 'It's thousands Dave.'

Similarly my Mum who used to go to the city once a week to ship, have lunch with friends etc has totally lost interest in that. She's not scared of the virus she's just found other interests now.

So I think some people will have changed their habits and started to entertain themselves in different ways.

[Heatherjayne1972]

It’s the knock on effect that worries me

I’m in dentistry.- you’d think that it would be fairly solid But if for eg 20/30/50% of our patients lose their jobs and can’t afford to come and see us then we get affected quite badly by loss of revenue
That’s going to affect me as my boss would then be looking to shed workers

I’d imagine every dentist would be in a similar position so moving jobs would be very difficult

[ponderinginpoughkeepsie]

I disagree that the high street is booming. Hundreds of people queued to get into our local IKEA on the first day it opened but I went the day after and it was quiet. Pub gardens look busy on a Saturday afternoon but will be less so in the week and in less ideal weather conditions.
Lots of people have been very scared for a long time. The idea that my grandparents will voluntarily go into a busy shopping centre or to the seaside in summer when they've been told to stay in lest they die. My stepdad doesn't even want to go to our local city centre, he just buys everything online now. I don't think they're the exceptions, so many people have no interest in getting back out there and spending money when they've been used to deliveroo and Amazon for months.

[RedcurrantPuff]

Yes I did thank you @ilovesooty, going well too :) but it was still a shock and a half to be made redundant.

[GnomeDePlume]

I think lockdown has accelerated something which was already started on the high street. In the small town where I live the high street was already dying. Few big names, and the ones we have are tatty and run down. More and more I wonder what the high street is for.

The big employers locally are in caring, supermarket retail and warehouse work. On the whole these havent done too badly through the lockdown period.

There arent a lot of hospitality places locally, we have tended to be more of a takeaway area so they also have done okay.

Obviously this is just one small town.

[PicknM1x848]

I've had friends & colleagues who have been on furlough & have been made redundant over the last year

I think that some may never work again, but some are nearer state retirement age. Some have moved into jobs that they may not have considered previously

I would never have predicted restaurants closing

I have predicted shops closing for several years, due to Internet shopping & covid has hastened the demise of some retailers.

However, if you look at history bad flu in 1918, 1950, 2020, so illnesses may reoccur in the future

Difficult times

[brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

As soon as all the brexit opportunities kick in though there will be jobs galore, right ? Any day now....r-right ?

[Motnight]

@ilovesooty

I think a lot of people will lose their jobs.

It's a pretty sound bet though that most people who keep their jobs won't give a stuff about those who don't.

I completely understand that myself and my immediate family are in a privileged position of not having our jobs affected (so far) by the pandemic.

What should we be doing to show we do give a stuff about other people?

[GlitterGiraffe13]

Personally I think it's been underestimated.

I know you say "UK hospitality will do extremely well this summer".. I've been on Furlough since last March (and haven't been back since, in the events industry) and we've currently been told September time to go back, they're planning to keep us Furloughed until the very end..

I've been trying to find something else (I am career changing as well which doesn't help) and all i'm getting is "You were fabulous, we really liked you, you'd make a great fit to the team...BUT this person has 20 years experience on you sorry"

What's happened is all the people in higher positions/long service have been made redundant and have gone down a few rungs on the ladder..meaning those of us already at the bottom (through no fault of our own, I just haven't been alive to have 20 years experience in the workplace yet, I only graduated a couple of years ago) are absolutely screwed..So no..I don't feel i'm okay job wise..

[LadyGAgain]

My DH has been made redundant after 15 years with the same company - a big global brand. It's been utterly devastating. Now unemployed. It's very stressful. And sad.

[MujeresLibres]

I think we're going to have a long, hard recession. I'm in IT and have 20 years of experience, I was made redundant last year and have been struggling to get a job (I did take a couple of months off because of home schooling). Things are tough and it's an employer's market.