To ask if you think most people will be ok job wise

[LemonSherbetFancies]

After coronavirus and that redundancies have been over predicted for the future?

Judging by the way the masses hit the shops when they opened, and beer gardens being full
Yes but will those masses make up for the fact that those pubs and shops were closed for 6 of the last 12 months, and even longer in many places. Pubs and restaurants lost out on Christmas, one of the busiest and most lucrative times of year, plus Easter, Mothers Day, Valentines Day etc.
Some will have been kept afloat by furlough, decreased business rates etc but they still will have taken a big dent to their finances which they may not be able to recover from, in the medium to long term.

absolutely no secure positions in any employment circles whatsoever,every firm will be scrutinizing the bottom line,& it's going to get very bumpy sadly

I think lockdown has accelerated something which was already started on the high street
I do think this is true, as shopping had been going more and more towards online and virtual anyway. However, that would have been a few stores per town closing here and there, and so those employees could have found a job elsewhere. The problem with lots of places closing at once is too many unemployed people and not enough jobs available to take them.

I think it's interesting that several people have asked what people who keep their eyes jobs should be doing to show they care. I never suggested that they should do anything specific.

Not posting thoughtlessly or even maliciously on forums such as these might be a start though. There's been plenty of complete lack of understanding of other people's circumstances and that has been all too evident over the past year in particular.

I think most will be ok. Lots of companies have adapted throughout the last year and hospitality will recover as we have seen in the last few weeks. Those still on furlough may not be ok though, presumably they are in the industries most affected and still not able to open.

I agree. I am starting to feel really positive now.
Lockdown restrictions as a whole are said to be on their way out as this is what the scientists are championing now. I think this summer will be a huge boost to the hospitality industry as well.

What can we do to help ?

I've supported some local businesses during the last year, those being physically local or online

I've tried to be friendly, polite & thanked ; shop workers, delivery people, vaccination nurse, postal workers, work colleagues, family, friends

We have all been in this together & I expect things will continue for some time. The economy will take time to recover

I've been able to WFH throughout, but I am not complacent about job cuts & going back into the office. I've been made redundant once, but before covid

I think its industry specific. Although as a pp said its going to have a knock on effect. My industry is a bit strange but definitely affected. Its one where if you have specific qualifications you are much more desirable but it used to be possible to go in and train on the job. Those unqualified positions have all but disappeared. I have the specific ones required and this will sound like a stealth boast (it absolutely isn't we have had a very hard time with being out of work) but it took me a few weeks longer to get a role. Its hard to explain but usually the type of qual I have would mean I could walk into a job , I didn't. It took me a few weeks.

During last year there were lots of redundancies (me included) and the specific part of the industry stopped recruiting completely because the job was hard for a lot of parents to do with school closures. It opened back up in March. Those of us that were qualified unintentionally completely blocked out those who weren't. Because there was a mass application of the qualified group the ones that would have , in the past , been able to take the trainee posts just didn't have a hope.

It wasn't deliberate. I need to keep a roof over DC heads and feed them. Its not that I don't care about the others but I am conscious that it has affected anyone coming new into the role (which is a lot of people on social care who want to get off of the actual floor or can't do shifts anymore due to childcare shutdowns).

I also think the knock on effect of lack of childcare will hit extremely hard. I had three professional options open to me based on experience and qualifications. Two of them were impossible to manage as virtually all childcare that would apply to my age range has gone. Afterschool clubs shut down and didn't reopen because they couldn't afford to. The few childminders left are oversubscribed. Three mums I know were offered roles and had to turn down because their previous childcare options went under.

I don't think anyone can truly predict what will happen next because we are still in a state of flux as we navigate coming out but I don't think it will be easy and I do think there will be huge disparity.

I do think emotive " The ones with jobs won't care" comments are a bit silly. What are they supposed to do ? Not work so they don't take a job from others ?

I do care but I have a family to support as well and I count myself fortunate i got back into employment , I'm not sure how I am supposed to help others who haven't.

Four of my friends have lost their jobs in the past year. Brexit more of a factor than covid. None of them have found a new job yet. It's really hard with so many applicants for each role.

@Shinyletsbebadguys

I think its industry specific. Although as a pp said its going to have a knock on effect. My industry is a bit strange but definitely affected. Its one where if you have specific qualifications you are much more desirable but it used to be possible to go in and train on the job. Those unqualified positions have all but disappeared. I have the specific ones required and this will sound like a stealth boast (it absolutely isn't we have had a very hard time with being out of work) but it took me a few weeks longer to get a role. Its hard to explain but usually the type of qual I have would mean I could walk into a job , I didn't. It took me a few weeks.

During last year there were lots of redundancies (me included) and the specific part of the industry stopped recruiting completely because the job was hard for a lot of parents to do with school closures. It opened back up in March. Those of us that were qualified unintentionally completely blocked out those who weren't. Because there was a mass application of the qualified group the ones that would have , in the past , been able to take the trainee posts just didn't have a hope.

It wasn't deliberate. I need to keep a roof over DC heads and feed them. Its not that I don't care about the others but I am conscious that it has affected anyone coming new into the role (which is a lot of people on social care who want to get off of the actual floor or can't do shifts anymore due to childcare shutdowns).

I also think the knock on effect of lack of childcare will hit extremely hard. I had three professional options open to me based on experience and qualifications. Two of them were impossible to manage as virtually all childcare that would apply to my age range has gone. Afterschool clubs shut down and didn't reopen because they couldn't afford to. The few childminders left are oversubscribed. Three mums I know were offered roles and had to turn down because their previous childcare options went under.

I don't think anyone can truly predict what will happen next because we are still in a state of flux as we navigate coming out but I don't think it will be easy and I do think there will be huge disparity.

I do think emotive " The ones with jobs won't care" comments are a bit silly. What are they supposed to do ? Not work so they don't take a job from others ?

I do care but I have a family to support as well and I count myself fortunate i got back into employment , I'm not sure how I am supposed to help others who haven't.

I refer you to my last post.

My sector wont.

In my own organisations we have been closed since March 2020. 50% redundancies so far.

Latest government guidance keeps us closed till Spring 2022. We will cut another bunch of posts soon in the hope that reserves will see us through till then.

Aviation, soft play night clubs are all other sectors still in deep trouble.

Some sectors that you think are going to re-open are going to find that the restrictions caused by social distancing means that they can't turn a profit. e.g. theatres.

Social distancing is ending in June though.

Lockdown restrictions as a whole are said to be on their way out as this is what the scientists are championing now.

Lockdown restrictions are ending yes.

But that doesn't mean that restrictions on how various sectors can operate are ending. They are still very much in place.

Other sectors have similar restrictions in place.

You honestly don't see it do you?

Social distancing laxed in India, look what has occurred recently

Each country has its own rules, culture etc

I think that we still need to remain vigilant!

Possibility of further covid waves ?

I have a friend who worked out of Gatwick. He lost his work as a direct result of COVID. He managed to pick up a job doing supermarket food deliveries but is now earning in a week what he did earn in a day. Just managing to keep his head above water with no sign of any I,prove me to soon.
Crawley has been once of the worst effected areas due to so many residents of the area relying on Gatwick
crawley.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2020-07/CERT%20COVID-19%20economic%20crisis.pdf
Not happy reading and I don’t see how it will drastically change in a year or two.
Where I am hospitality is a big part of the economy. Lots of job losses and even though the high street and pub gardens look busy they are working with a fraction of what they did. Social distancing makes it look a lot busier than it is. Article on local radio said footfall was still down something around 30% on precovid times.
I work in retail. A medium size shop that has remained open during COVID but not a supermarket. We have just been trough the redundancy process as takings are down something like 40% and in our store alone they had to cut 100 hours a week from the wages bill.
I live on the coast our council for the first time is allowing licences for pop up beach venders. For once it is exploring different avenues to not only get the economy going, add jobs to the area but also try to attract people who would otherwise holiday abroad to come and spend their money here.

So no I don’t think we will bounce back quickly but I do think there will be some significant changes.

I think your latter point has been very evident on here, the sneering pass remarkable types who want lockdown in their nice homes with secure wfh jobs to continue forever and make snide comments about people wanting to go to the pub/primark. Not one thought about the people who work there who will end up on the dole.

I've noticed this. People judging that people want to rush out and get pissed (as opposed to maybe just see friends for a drink or older people who havent seen anyone for months) and not even mentioning that actually pub owners, staff and associated businesses will be desperate for it yo be open. Things like hotels, pubs, entertainment support many other jobs - from caterers, food and drink, breweries, cleaning companies, laundry, printers who do menus etc it's not just the people who work there.
My DH made an employee redundant last year. We were both gutted about it as we knew them well. DH has passed on clients to him, allowed him to use work space free of charge and really chuffed when he got a job interview. Another friend of mine was made redundant and I passed on a job ad I saw that was in her field and asked her how it's going. I'm really happy for her that she got another job.

Pub gardens look busy because everyone who wants to go out has fewer choices of a) which establishment to go to (not all have gardens) and b)where to sit once there (some evenings almost everyone would have been indoors, in normal times, and walking past you wouldnt neccessarily know how busy it was)
People saying that industries adapt is ok for some (eg restaurants and pubs serving take aways etc) but others have no way of doing things remotely (eg beauty industry - you cant cut or colour someones hair via zoom!) And like pp have said some venues will find it really hard to operate at limited capacity and still be a viable business.

Also a lot of the jobs that need filling or areas that are expanding, wont neccessarily match the skills of the people being made redundant in droves.

@Anonmousse

I think your latter point has been very evident on here, the sneering pass remarkable types who want lockdown in their nice homes with secure wfh jobs to continue forever and make snide comments about people wanting to go to the pub/primark. Not one thought about the people who work there who will end up on the dole.

I've noticed this. People judging that people want to rush out and get pissed (as opposed to maybe just see friends for a drink or older people who havent seen anyone for months) and not even mentioning that actually pub owners, staff and associated businesses will be desperate for it yo be open. Things like hotels, pubs, entertainment support many other jobs - from caterers, food and drink, breweries, cleaning companies, laundry, printers who do menus etc it's not just the people who work there.
My DH made an employee redundant last year. We were both gutted about it as we knew them well. DH has passed on clients to him, allowed him to use work space free of charge and really chuffed when he got a job interview. Another friend of mine was made redundant and I passed on a job ad I saw that was in her field and asked her how it's going. I'm really happy for her that she got another job.

Exactly. There's a big picture here,

That's a lovely heartwarming post.

Don't forget Brexit - things will be worse in the UK because of that.

I kept my job as did DH, we are among the lucky ones. That doesnt mean we "don't give a shit".

What do you expect people to do?

I pay full taxes, don't claim tax credit even though I am probably technically entitled to, don't waste NHS funds, and I spend in local shops, use local traders and don't use Amazon or websites like Aliexpress.

@LemonSherbetFancies

Social distancing is ending in June though.

Social contact is ending in June (well its step three on the roadmap so...May)

Social distancing is set to carry on and has it's own review in the near future...experts are estimating masks and social distancing could be in place for the rest of the year..

I know it's only part time but Ds1 was made redundant by Sainsbury's this week. Shame.

I wouldn't have thought supermarket jobs were safe.

What's the difference between social contact and social distancing?