India Knight

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I take it mentioning her or her partner is banned.

Can I just say how utterly disgusted I am from learning about the actions of her partner on here- and nearly just as much from the lack of reporting of this by the press and on here too? Disgraceful. The man still has the gall to have a live Twitter account!!!

I believe she has a right to be treated as an individual, whatever her partner has done.

If she split up with him then sure, but not if she stands by him.

I do think she has a right to be treated as an individual, and a right to work (and tbh I hope she is ok) - just doesn't sit right with me that she is dispensing relationship advice to a readership who seem largely unaware of her own situation!

I see in yesterday's Sunday Times that she obliquely mentions Joyce - the first time since he was convicted. She is shameless and the ST editor should be accountable. She's still living with him, apparently.

I read this too. Strange that she said “I live with someone that....” (rather than ‘my partner’). Didn’t it mention him being a teenage father? Tbh I find that even more creepy / sinister knowing what we now know. Makes me feel quite sick.

It’s one thing writing a beauty column in Style, another thing referencing that vile creature and mentioning children. Too close to the bone.

There are many who don't know about her partner Eric Joyce. I filled someone in yesterday, after India came up in a conversation about female opinion writers.
Needless to say, she won't be reading India again. It's the shamelessness, writing columns, dispensing advice.
I feel as if her being allowed to carry on, trivilises abuse. I know she's not the guilty party, but standing by that awful man, careless to the ruined lives around him, sends the message: really it's not that bad.
It's a sad messed up world.

That’s how I feel too Hearnoevilspeaknoevil. It’s the absolute bald faced ‘hey ho, naughty Eric, let’s all move along now’ cheek of her, dispensing her “musings” for us plebs who should be doffing our caps in gratitude and not getting uppity in her comments

Completely agree Hearnoevil. It just completely changes my view of a person when they stand by someone who is so vile.

Had similar in my family, really nice female relative stayed with an admitted ( but not convicted as sadly no one was willing to go to the police) paedophile. She knew what he was, said he was remorseful etc... but given he had assaulted vulnerable children as young as 5 over many years I just couldn't even speak to her anymore, even after he died. Revolting.

@Lostthetastefordahlias

“So now a potential partner has to be not just a pleasant spouse and promising parent material but also a romantic hero/heroine, a magnificent lover, a best friend, a lifelong companion, a protector, devastatingly attractive, powerfully clever, someone who will hit it off with your tricksy older sister, someone your parents adore, a teacher but willing to learn, a student but willing to teach, a man but in touch with his feminine side or a woman but masculine where required and so on and on and on. Perel says we’re now looking for one person to be the equivalent of an entire village. This poses a problem because, as no person actually is a village, everyone is doomed eventually to be disappointing and disappointed. It would be cleverer to cap one’s requirements somewhere realistic”

Today in the Times India advises us all to drop our standards when it come to looking for a man. Brazenly writing about what is “cleverer” when selecting your child’s father figure. You couldn’t make it up - can’t wait for more advice from her on choosing a man.

Not everyone is doomed to be quite so disappointing as Eric India!!!

Fuck's sake. Not a fucking paedophile wouldn't be a bad start.

@Vargas I admire your principles
Julie Burchill has entered the fray and posted on Twitter about it.
I'm no fan of Julie's but......

IK is in an advertisement endorsing Prai X M&S MenoGlow serum today in the Sunday Times Style magazine

India seems particularly unhappy in last weekend’s Times column about how women with younger men are apparently ‘broken’ and ‘driven by fear and not freedom’. Men don’t escape the criticism ‘Today, it is only actual fossils that still think hooking up with people younger than their own children makes them enviable. They are literally a dying breed.’

Not that there’s any equivalence, but how can she square this vitriol at people in relationships that may be perfectly contented with what has been going on with Eric?
Interested to see if reviews of her new book out October mention her personal life at all, or perhaps hopefully she will do a few well timed ‘revelatory’ articles about how she has left him.

"India seems particularly unhappy in last weekend’s Times column about how women with younger men are apparently ‘broken’ and ‘driven by fear and not freedom’. Men don’t escape the criticism ‘Today, it is only actual fossils that still think hooking up with people younger than their own children makes them enviable. They are literally a dying breed.’

she makes money from controversy though.

i have a friend with four kids, who showed me a passage India wrote about how sad and pathetic childfree people are. I'm used to it, but my friend really liked India and was quite upset about it. She then called her out on social media - probably exactly what India wanted.

I ignore media as much as I can and I'm starting to wonder how stuff like affects people's brains. It seems like trivia but maybe it isn't?

Interested to see if reviews of her new book out October mention her personal life at all, or perhaps hopefully she will do a few well timed ‘revelatory’ articles about how she has left him.

It’s going to be a PR nightmare for her publisher to sell the book - I don’t know what media would want to commission articles or interviews with her now we know more about her private life. Apart from The Sunday Times, obviously.

I doubt very much that she’s left him. After all it was her supporting him in court (the love of a good woman) that got him an incredibly lenient sentence.

I hope it is a PR nightmare for her. He should be in jail.

he has other convictions too for bar fights etc en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Joyce
I used to read IK in the Sunday Times for years and remember when she had her child with a new partner and the child had special needs.

Her mother was only 17 when IK was born and her father was 20 years older not that that is a crime (although in 2022 England has just changed the law to raise the minimum age of marriage from 16 to 18). I believe she was not married to the father of her third child and lives with that child and her partner Joyce, not the child's father. Her older 2 children born with her and her husband presumably are too old still to live at home.

Zombie thread
but she is vile.
I used to like her, had her books, not now

Very old thread I know - but I still find it genuinely mind-blowing that a. she stood by this man who is aroused by watching a baby being penetrated (something I can’t truly think about for more than a millisecond) and b. the media stood by her.

I won’t read anything by her any more. Didn’t she essentially choose him over her child? Appalling.

She did. Even if ‘oh she wanted to try Andrew’s for a while anyway and you know now she’s an adult so it’s academic’ is what she tells herself and others. She made it so that her child couldn’t come home to her mother.

She's got some brass neck, I'll give her that. Here she is in her substack this morning:

"There was talk earlier in the week of women not posting today in protest at the recent arrival of a particularly terrible person on Substack, where he promptly acquired, or imported, a million subscribers, meaning you couldn’t miss him briefly sitting at the top of a bestseller chart.

I don’t know whether the plan gained any traction, but I feel very strongly that women should never silence themselves - erase themselves - over men’s behaviour. No shade intended whatsoever if people have gone silent - obviously I understand the desire behind it. You can contact Substack directly here if you need to report a violation of content guidelines. And here’s some good advice."

Sometimes I feel like she's taking her tips on brazening things out from Donald Trump.

I saw this and was absolutely gobsmacked. It’s either sheer brass neck or the world’s biggest case of cognitive dissonance.