The term "The Queen of England"

[DynamoKev]

In view of recent events this term has been appearing again.

My theory is that it originates from the USA - does anyone else agree or have a different view about where it started/is from?

royalcentral.co.uk/features/insight/queen-elizabeth-ii-is-not-the-queen-of-england-is-it-so-hard-to-get-it-right-138067/

This is one time that I couldn't care less about England being used when someone actually means the UK/Britain etc.

The English can keep her. I don't have anything against her, specifically. Just against the whole idea that being born into one specific family somehow makes you more special than anyone else, and that us plebs should pay for their lavish lifestyle.

But she IS the Queen of England. Granted, not just England, but that doesn’t stop her being Queen of England.

Is it more that she is only Queen Elizabeth II of England? She's just Queen Elizabeth of Scotland as they haven't previously had one? I don't know whether they enforce this rule but officially, the title isn't incorrect.

@StillCoughingandLaughing

But she IS the Queen of England. Granted, not just England, but that doesn’t stop her being Queen of England.

That isn’t her title though so it’s incorrect. It’s like calling her just the Queen of Scotland.

I'd expect the US, given that they seem to call the UK England, except for those with heritage from Scotland, or Wales.

But she IS the Queen of England. Granted, not just England, but that doesn’t stop her being Queen of England

Are you English? If so woukd it bother you if she was constantly referred to as the Queen if Scotland, missing out England all together?

Nicholas Witchell referred to her as “Queen Elizabeth” the other day. He’s the BBC Royal Correspondent . If he can’t get it right, who can?

There has never been a Scottish queen named Elizabeth - the Union of Crowns in 1603 saw James VI of Scotland and I of England inherit the English throne from Elizabeth Tudor ('Elizabeth I').

In fact, E II's right to that title was contested in a famous court case named MacCormick v Lord Advocate in 1953.

This genuinely bugs the actual living hell out of me!!!! YANBU!

Are you English? If so woukd it bother you if she was constantly referred to as the Queen if Scotland, missing out England all together?

I'm Scottish and quite happy for her to be the Queen of England.

She's also Queen of Australia, Canada, Barbados, Saint Lucia and I think 11 other places.

I don't think anyone is going to mention all of them when they speak about her, so why worry about missing Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?

I'm English.
I don't care what they call her. As a pp said, I think the idea of people being born "above" everybody else is abhorrent. No human should have a higher status than another due to the family they were born into.

@JosephineDeBeauharnais

Nicholas Witchell referred to her as “Queen Elizabeth” the other day. He’s the BBC Royal Correspondent . If he can’t get it right, who can?

What should it have been?

@FelicityPike

This genuinely bugs the actual living hell out of me!!!! YANBU!

Me too. Ditto Prince William the future King of England. Pure arrogance.

@PrelovedWithValue

This is one time that I couldn't care less about England being used when someone actually means the UK/Britain etc.

The English can keep her. I don't have anything against her, specifically. Just against the whole idea that being born into one specific family somehow makes you more special than anyone else, and that us plebs should pay for their lavish lifestyle.

Agree with this. She was always Queen of England where I grew up, nothing to do with us...

Me too. Ditto Prince William the future King of England. Pure arrogance.

How many of the (I think) 16 countries that he will most probably be king of, should be mentioned when they mention him?

I really couldn't care less. I have no interest in any of them.

@PrelovedWithValue

Me too. Ditto Prince William the future King of England. Pure arrogance.

How many of the (I think) 16 countries that he will most probably be king of, should be mentioned when they mention him?

You don't need to mention a place at all. King William is fine Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

I don’t think it’s an Americanism. I think it comes from an Anglo-centric point of view. I’m pro-union but this is one of the issues that really wind me up.

She's Queen of 16 different countries so including them all would be a bit of a mouthful.

I'm Irish and have always heard her called The Queen of England. I'd think of all the Kings & Queens that way...Henry VIII, George V etc. all of England. It's never occurred to me that it's wrong.

I'm Welsh and I call her the Queen of England.

It's all a weird, anachronistic pyramid scheme anyway, and the sooner it's done away with, the better.

It may come from Americans. They tend to confuse Britain/UK/England and they have zero idea how a constitutional monarchy works.

What drives me crazy is that lots of people here in Canada call her the Queen of England and have zero idea how a constitutional monarchy works.

She's Queen of 16 different countries so including them all would be a bit of a mouthful.

But since the union of the crowns England isn't one of them!

I see it all the time on MN. It does not come from the US, but lots of Americans make the same mistake. Queen of England is not one of her official titles.