Page 3 | The term "The Queen of England"

fluffysocks89 · 13/04/2021 16:40

I do think that having “ monarchy” in the 21st century is a bit of an embarrassment. It’s quite appalling when you think about it. But we’ve been conditioned to think it’s normal.

TeaSoakedDisasterMagnet · 13/04/2021 16:42

@Somethingsnappy

Is that not her title though, like the prince of Wales, Duke of Edinburgh etc? I may very well be wrong about that though! But it was my assumption.

Prince of Wales is the title he was given, but Prince in front of his name is because of his position of birth. So Prince Charles is “A” prince of the united kingdom by birth and “THE” prince of Wales by title as the male heir.

Rukaya · 13/04/2021 16:44

So why just mention one as ifIt is somehow more important?

Because it is? She's English. She comes from a very long line of English Royals, she's born and lived English...do you think that being queen of The Bahamas is in anyway as important?

RaspberryCoulis · 13/04/2021 16:44

I lived in Spain for a while in the 90s and everyone used "Inglaterra" when they meant UK. I was there when the Dunblane shootings occurred and the TV news was full of English shooting, English schoolchildren, the Prime Minister of England says X, the Queen of England says Y. This was the national broadcaster, their equivalent of the BBC.

Lots of people in the wider world have no concept of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. So many times I was asked where in England I was from and I'd say "Scotland". Then they would reiterate yes, but where in England was Scotland?

littlepattilou · 13/04/2021 16:46

@fluffysocks89

I do think that having “ monarchy” in the 21st century is a bit of an embarrassment. It’s quite appalling when you think about it. But we’ve been conditioned to think it’s normal.

@fluffysocks89

I do think that having “ monarchy” in the 21st century is a bit of an embarrassment. It’s quite appalling when you think about it.

Why?

Do you also think that about the other 43 countries who have a Monarchy. Or is it just the UK one you loathe so bitterly?

Somethingsnappy · 13/04/2021 16:46

I have learned a lot on this thread!

SpacemanDad · 13/04/2021 16:48

Also, She'd be Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland, not Q E II

RaspberryCoulis · 13/04/2021 16:49

@Rukaya

So why just mention one as ifIt is somehow more important?

Because it is? She's English. She comes from a very long line of English Royals, she's born and lived English...do you think that being queen of The Bahamas is in anyway as important?

Her mum was Scottish. She's half Scottish...

And if you want to get REALLY pedantic, then she comes from a long line of Scottish monarchs. Because after Elizabeth I died in 1603 there were no children to take over so James VI of Scotland took the English throne too.

crosspelican · 13/04/2021 16:56

@alllittlepattilou from "embarrassment" to bitter loathing? Bit of a leap there!

I think it's appalling that there is a monarchy in this county too, and yes - I also think the other 43 monarchies are equally anacronistic, dated and inappropriate in today's increasingly unequal society, even if some of them operate in otherwise modern nations.

Abolishing the monarchy won't wave a magic want and make us all equal, but it will certainly remove the dreadful idea that mere BIRTH makes you quite literally superior to every other person in the country. That's the same logic that maintained enslavement for so long, and reinforces classism as well as racism.

CleverCatty · 13/04/2021 17:03

@PrelovedWithValue

This is one time that I couldn't care less about England being used when someone actually means the UK/Britain etc.

The English can keep her. I don't have anything against her, specifically. Just against the whole idea that being born into one specific family somehow makes you more special than anyone else, and that us plebs should pay for their lavish lifestyle.

I do agree with you. I think our monarchy should be scaled way down, like it is in Belgium, Netherlands etc.

won't happen though as our RF love their attention and importance too much.

Queenoftheashes · 13/04/2021 17:06

Let’s be real, the Queen is German.
But she is the queen of Scotland so id say it’s fine to say that.

Who else is the queen of Scotland?

Mittens030869 · 13/04/2021 17:12

Actually, Charles has made it clear that he intends to slim down the Monarchy on his accession to the throne. So I’ll wait to see what he intends to do before I cast judgement.

Actually, the Windsors are more German than Scottish or English, though the current Queen is half Scottish through her mother.

SenecaFallsRedux · 13/04/2021 17:12

@RaspberryCoulis is right. When George V decided to find a new surname for his family during WWI, if he had decided to go back to the last British surname held by the RF, it would have been Stuart/Stewart.

Mittens030869 · 13/04/2021 17:13

@Queenoftheashes

Cross post! And also, Edward VIII was a supporter of the Nazis, just as well he abdicated.

Gwenhwyfar · 13/04/2021 17:15

@Mamimawr

I'm Welsh and I call her the Queen of England.

Me too. As others have said, she's not the Queen of the UK either (or not only) as there's also the Commonwealth Realms. Plus, this is clearly TAAT.

NetballHoop · 13/04/2021 17:15

@RaspberryCoulis

I lived in Spain for a while in the 90s and everyone used "Inglaterra" when they meant UK. I was there when the Dunblane shootings occurred and the TV news was full of English shooting, English schoolchildren, the Prime Minister of England says X, the Queen of England says Y. This was the national broadcaster, their equivalent of the BBC.

Lots of people in the wider world have no concept of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. So many times I was asked where in England I was from and I'd say "Scotland". Then they would reiterate yes, but where in England was Scotland?

Yes, I hear this all the time across Europe. However we are also guilty (including the BBC) of referring to The Netherlands as Holland.

Gwenhwyfar · 13/04/2021 17:16

"I do agree with you. I think our monarchy should be scaled way down, like it is in Belgium"

You realise Belgium has two kings and two queens, three queens at one point in this century, all of them somewhat on the public purse I believe.

Gwenhwyfar · 13/04/2021 17:20

@Rukaya

It may come from Americans. They tend to confuse Britain/UK/England and they have zero idea how a constitutional monarchy works

I've met plenty of britons who confuse Britain/UK/England and have zero idea how the monarchy works!

Confusing Britain/UK/England is extremely common all around the world. Not particularly American (or should I say US American?) at all.

In this case though it makes sense as the woman whose most famous palace is in London is clearly the queen of England whether that's her official title or not.

Gwenhwyfar · 13/04/2021 17:22

"I lived in Spain for a while in the 90s and everyone used "Inglaterra" when they meant UK. I was there when the Dunblane shootings occurred and the TV news was full of English shooting, English schoolchildren, the Prime Minister of England says X, the Queen of England says Y. This was the national broadcaster, their equivalent of the BBC."

It's even in the dictionaries. If you look up British, it will give their language's word for English as an option.

derxa · 13/04/2021 17:24

Such an infuriating thread. The monarchy is completely bloodline based as have monarchies throughout the centuries in Europe. The Queen is not 'English' or 'German, she is descended from people who have sat on the throne of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Gwenhwyfar · 13/04/2021 17:26

@WarwickHunt

She's Queen of 16 different countries so including them all would be a bit of a mouthful.

But since the union of the crowns England isn't one of them!

So when England competes in the Commonwealth Games, are they there as a visiting republic?

Queenoftheashes · 13/04/2021 17:26

Again I don’t think anyone needs to be as specific as all that in day to day conversation

tttigress · 13/04/2021 17:29

[quote DynamoKev]In view of recent events this term has been appearing again.

My theory is that it originates from the USA - does anyone else agree or have a different view about where it started/is from?

royalcentral.co.uk/features/insight/queen-elizabeth-ii-is-not-the-queen-of-england-is-it-so-hard-to-get-it-right-138067/[/quote]
I hear the term almost exclusively in American Media

RaspberryCoulis · 13/04/2021 17:30

I think it's interesting that posters seem to think it's OK to make statements like "the queen is German".

Prince Albert, her great great grandfather was indeed German. Her mother - Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, was Scottish, and her parents were Scottish and English. Her granny Queen Mary was German, but raised in England.

The very same people who think they are being smart throwing out pithy comments like "the Queen is German" would be the first people up in arms if someone whose parents immigrated to the UK from the Caribbean or India was being told they were Jamaican or Indian and not 100% British.

Not funny. Not clever.

SenecaFallsRedux · 13/04/2021 17:31

Yes, I hear this all the time across Europe. However we are also guilty (including the BBC) of referring to The Netherlands as Holland.

Or the reverse. Saying "America" for the US. Or my particular bugbear on MN, saying "Florida" when you mean Disney World.

I've been watching a new mini-series called Atlantic Crossing about the relationship of Crown Princess Martha of Norway and President Roosevelt. Much of it is in Norwegian with English subtitles. I don't know any Norwegian, but I can tell that the actors are saying English or England and the subtitles render it as British or Britain.