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They are keeping Andrew out the way, arent they?

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ssd · 10/04/2021 21:09

On the bbc news, 3 out 4 of the queen's children wished to say something in tribute to their father...

Andrew is obviously been kept on the back burner. They must know there's only so much the less fawning of us can take.

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KarensChoppyBob · 14/04/2021 21:40

@Roussette

I made a mistake... some were as young as 12.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/08/19/jeffrey-epstein-was-sent-three-12-year-old-french-girls-as-birthday-gift/amp/
Alsohuman · 14/04/2021 21:59

@ImpatiensI

He is stupid in the same way as eg Cameron and Johnson, they've been brought up to think themselve superior and normal rules don't apply and they're immoral enough to still believe it.
It’s true. Cameron has shocked me, I must confess. His behaviour has been absolutely brazen.
Roussette · 14/04/2021 22:03

Karen
That is sick and disgusting Shock

derxa · 14/04/2021 22:10

@Roussette

Karen That is sick and disgusting Shock
It really is. He's dead now, thank God. Unfortunately men like him are everywhere. When will it stop?
KarensChoppyBob · 14/04/2021 22:20

I know. When you mentioned 12 year olds I remembered this from the Netflix documentary.

denverRegina · 14/04/2021 23:26

"To be honest though, Andrew has always seemed really dim, so may not have 1. realized her age, 2. realized that pretty teenage girls would not automatically be lining up to have sex with middle aged men without some kind of coercion/inducement."

Ohhhh well that's alright then Hmm

sashh · 15/04/2021 06:44

I mean to be coerced/deceived/manipulated once is horrific and disgusting but you'd think once you'd seen what it involved you wouldn't be deceived or manipulated a 2nd or 3rd time for more.

Do tell how you get off a private island? Particularly without your passport? If there is a scheduled flight you need money for a ticket and your passport.

You may be able to bribe someone to get you off by boat, but then you would need money, enough to make it worth someone losing their job for helping you.

PurpleWh1teGreen · 15/04/2021 07:49

Just heard - well half-heard as I wasn’t paying full attention - a discussion on the news about PA wanting to go to the funeral as an Admiral and the Queen allegedly saying no. Seemingly if Harry can’t wear uniform, she doesn’t think Andrew should.

Can’t argue with the logic, but FFS. This is not the time to be arguing about who gets to wear the the Spider-Man costume. Poor Queen.

Roussette · 15/04/2021 08:03

Unfortunately men like him are everywhere. When will it stop?

Yes. And sadly these men are often hiding in plain sight.

Do tell how you get off a private island? Particularly without your passport? If there is a scheduled flight you need money for a ticket and your passport

Exactly.

Here is of one of them...
Epstein survivor Sara Ransome described trying to escape the island. Her passport was taken off her and when she tried to swim for safety, she was caught by Epstein.
Some of these girls were 12.

derxa · 15/04/2021 08:10

@PurpleWh1teGreen

Just heard - well half-heard as I wasn’t paying full attention - a discussion on the news about PA wanting to go to the funeral as an Admiral and the Queen allegedly saying no. Seemingly if Harry can’t wear uniform, she doesn’t think Andrew should.

Can’t argue with the logic, but FFS. This is not the time to be arguing about who gets to wear the the Spider-Man costume. Poor Queen.

Life will be very different for the spoilt brats when William is king. They'd better make the best of the indulgence now.
VladmirsPoutine · 15/04/2021 08:55

It's incredibly disheartening to know men like this are indeed everywhere and as said upthread often hiding in plain sight; unlike the women involved in the situation Andrew is implicated in - a lot of women have to live with the trauma, cover it up and just deal as 'normally' as possible despite the residual pain it must cause them. I cannot believe there are people on this very thread parroting out victim-blaming nonsense. For Andrew and men like him - these things are often little more than just an inconvenience - whereas a lot of these women will be carrying irreparable damage.

ImpatiensI · 15/04/2021 09:01

Ever since the 'Nick' case I no longer do any instant belief in what people say.

SueSaid · 15/04/2021 09:40

'It's incredibly disheartening to know men like this are indeed everywhere and as said upthread often hiding in plain sight'

No more 'disheartening' to know there are people who commit crimes everywhere and of course they 'hide in plain site', no one walks round with a badge on advertising their crimes.

I'm interested to see what Maxwell's trial brings. Like Weinstein I bet there are many high profile people who while may not have been complicit were guilty of being associated with Epstein. Like PA.

ImpatiensI · 15/04/2021 10:08

'guilt by association' isn't law that a decent country should sign up to imo

KarensChoppyBob · 15/04/2021 10:23

So, let me understand this properly:

According to the apologists this type of sick exploitation happens anyway, it's to be expected like all other crimes (boys will be boys etc) and tacitly accepted? So why are we picking on poor wee nice-but-dim Andrew? Why not start on the others first.

That can't be the crux of your argument surely. Do you have daughters? Or young vulnerable relatives that you care about at all?

I give up.

Cacacoisfarraige · 15/04/2021 10:35

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Roussette · 15/04/2021 10:39

Yes.

The MeToo movement was for nothing when you have posters saying they don't believe it until people are tried and found guilty.

Do they not know about the rape statistics. Only 5.7% of reported rape cases end in conviction.

SueSaid · 15/04/2021 10:40

'According to the apologists this type of sick exploitation happens anyway, it's to be expected like all other crimes (boys will be boys etc) and tacitly accepted? '

Who on earth said that?! My comments were in response to a pp saying how 'disheartening' it is that sex offenders are hiding in plain site and I pointed out yes that is actually what all criminals do. Not that it is 'acceptable'.

However as impatiensl said there is no such thing as guilty by association. We know epstein was a sex offender. We don't know if all the famous people he associated with were.

Felifox · 15/04/2021 10:40

I think it's a fair point that Andrew was indebted to Epstein due to Fergie's debts. He comes over as spoilt and entitled, able to do as he likes due to who his dm is.

As far as the funeral of his father is concerned he's reported as having demanded to wear full admiral's uniform whilst the navy is apparently unhappy at him being in uniform due to his stepping back from royal duties after the interview with Emily Maitliss. As Harry is also unable to wear uniform it's confirmed that the Queen will ban military uniform being worn by the family.

SueSaid · 15/04/2021 10:41

'How many said ‘they didn’t know’ what Weinstein was upto and that’s just accepted.'

Yes they should perhaps put half of Hollywood on trial as they surely all knew too as they socialised with Weinstein.

ImpatiensI · 15/04/2021 10:47

@Roussette

Yes.

The MeToo movement was for nothing when you have posters saying they don't believe it until people are tried and found guilty.

Do they not know about the rape statistics. Only 5.7% of reported rape cases end in conviction.

That isn't what I said of course. I said I don't automatically believe what someone claims. Not that I care what you think.
Roussette · 15/04/2021 10:47

I think it's a fair point that Andrew was indebted to Epstein due to Fergie's debts

I don't agree actually. Epstein only paid about £15K for Fergie's debts in 2011, that's tiddly squat to Andrew. I personally think he liked him and liked knowing the people Epstein knew, the rich and powerful. Andrew has always been impressed by these sort of people, many who know him have said that.

Plumtree391 · 15/04/2021 10:48

@ImpatiensI

'guilt by association' isn't law that a decent country should sign up to imo
I agree with you. We could all be guilty by association and not realise it. I knew somebody who was imprisoned for fraud, we were very friendly and i had no idea! I would still be friendly with them and the chances are if they told me it was all a big mistake, I'd believe them.

Epstein was friendly with many prominent people and he helped a lot in business, in science, in politics. Behind that facade was his dirty secret. If you think about it, it is incredible that someone like Ghislane Maxwell was so involved with him but they usually have a 'girlfriend' whom they manipulate into serving them.

KarensChoppyBob · 15/04/2021 10:48

And we are where we are because 'hiding in plain sight' is not so easy when you are a member of the RF including all the responsibilities and duty that that role entails.

Roussette · 15/04/2021 10:49

Impatiens

I wasn't posting in response to you.

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