They are keeping Andrew out the way, arent they?

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On the bbc news, 3 out 4 of the queen's children wished to say something in tribute to their father...

Andrew is obviously been kept on the back burner. They must know there's only so much the less fawning of us can take.

[quote Alsohuman]@KarensChoppyBob, it wasn’t intended to be a straw man. I just find it interesting that, despite a whole group of men being implicated in this none of them are ever mentioned. Nor is Ghislaine Maxwell who procured these poor women.[/quote]
Sigh...

The thread is about Andrew.
However Maxwell has been mentioned . She is also sitting in prison so I’m not sure what you want us to say about her exactly .

The issue is that the FBI have asked Andrew to help with enquiries and he has not done as they asked .

I can entirely believe Andrew is stamping his feet for a bauble that was dangled then got snatched away at the last minute.

I'm no royalist in any way but FFS his poor mother having to even think about it.

I've said lots about Ghislaine.

She has offered to renounce her British and French passports in order to secure bail, but it has been turned down for the third time.

She was indicted on charges of transporting a minor for the purposes of criminal sexual activity and conspiring to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts. Earlier this year, two new charges were added to the indictment including one relating to sex trafficking a minor.

She is under round the clock surveillance by multiple guards and cameras, including a mobile camera. We discussed upthread as to why they are being extra careful.

Her family have set up a website to support her and to sway public opinion.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9469913/PIERS-MORGAN-dont-want-watch-interviews-Prince-Andrew-speaks-FBI.html
Some good points from Piers Morgan.

Wow. Never thought I'd agree with Piers.

Andrew did say something the other day outside church, I saw it on TV. He's keeping a low profile and will continue to do so until the Epstein business is thoroughly investigated and over - let's hope it doesn't take forever - it's not a question of 'they' keeping him out of the way.

@Plumtree391

Andrew did say something the other day outside church, I saw it on TV. He's keeping a low profile and will continue to do so until the Epstein business is thoroughly investigated and over - let's hope it doesn't take forever - it's not a question of 'they' keeping him out of the way.

Read the thread

The weak points you make have already been dealt with .

No one asked him to speak. No one forced him to speak ( as was ludicrously suggested up thread).

He has very successfully reignited the anger around his apparent refusal to help the FBI as they have requested

@UniversalAunt

Whilst I respect that his father has just died & he is grieving, he is not a person fit for public office & certainly not a sufficient communicator to make ad hoc comments to camera.

The Panorama interview was a car crash in excruciatingly slow motion.
Apart from his sordid associations with Epstein & his ilk, wisely the royal family has determined that for a man of his age, experiences & training, he is not up to scratch speaking for himself (or the royal family) in public.

The thing is, for as long as I can remember which is a very long time, Andrew has always been an arrogant entitled arse. Just unattractive as a person &, for what it matters, looks like any ordinary bloke down the rugby club - he really is nothing special, nothing that lifts him or marks him out for distinction.

Life experience & the passage of time have not done much to season his shortcomings. Possibly a redeeming feature is that he takes advice, particularly from the firm’s legal team, hence the seemingly uncooperative or overly cautious stance with the FBI. If your legal advisor explained to you not to do something, would you go against their advice?

Andrew is not a patch on his late father, & I cannot fathom why he is deemed to be the Queen’s favourite child, this does seem to be an error of judgement or sentiment from a woman presented as being eminently sensible.

By contrast, Edward as a younger man seemed to be a surly strop-merchant with a lack of direction. However, he has matured into a hard working sensible man who married well & they seem to have a good marriage with a happy family.

I doubt that the Men in Grey rushed to get Andrew out on the world stage to make ad lib live comment about his father.

More likely whilst everyone was distracted by grief &/or preoccupied, Andrew slipped his ‘leash’ & minders to make a dash for the cameras. He spoke so badly (pompous, leaden phrases & cliches), he really has done himself no favours.

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Oh please must we link Piers Arsehole Morgan's latest froth fest. Although I do find it intriguing he says one of the victims was trafficked 3 times. I mean to be coerced/deceived/manipulated once is horrific and disgusting but you'd think once you'd seen what it involved you wouldn't be deceived or manipulated a 2nd or 3rd time for more. Of course, that will be pronounced as victim blaming but still.

It's all ifs and buts with Prince Andrew. Morgan doesn't know anymore than the rest of us and again, I fail to see how if someone actually had evidence that the fbi wouldn't liaise with UK detectives and actually investigate. Who knew suspects or witnesses could just say 'not today thankyou'.

'Read the thread The weak points you make have already been dealt with'

Oh who made you the thread boss. It's 24 pages long! who cba to read all that before posting 🙄

Oh please must we link Piers Arsehole Morgan's latest froth fest. You don't need to read the link. I read lots of stuff by writers I don't like. Even George Monbiot

'the anger around his apparent refusal to help the FBI as they have requested'

My already low opinion of Andrew would sink even further if he turned himself over the to FBI to 'help'. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to even think about it. I certainly wouldn't if I was him, even if it meant I could never leave the country again.

@JaniieJones

'Read the thread The weak points you make have already been dealt with'

Oh who made you the thread boss. It's 24 pages long! who cba to read all that before posting 🙄

Yes! That reaction confused me a bit. I did read some of the thread but there is understandably a lot of repetition.

I do realise nobody forced Prince Andrew to say anything about his father but he did when asked by reporters and, isn't it good that he did? I couldn't see anything wrong with it.

Bog standard Piers Morgan hypocritical fuming.

‘ I couldn’t see anything wrong with it’

If you can’t see it, I doubt anyone has the time or patience to spell it out to you.

Many good points have been made on this thread previously explaining exactly why most decent people are outraged.
And yes, the attempt above to say being trafficked twice is your fault is exactly the level of debate that the apologists for Andrew have displayed on this thread.

Have a look at other newspapers and forums. See how far a comment like that will get you

I mean to be coerced/deceived/manipulated once is horrific and disgusting but you'd think once you'd seen what it involved you wouldn't be deceived or manipulated a 2nd or 3rd time for more

Oh please, that’s absurd. And definitely victim blaming. Have you any concept of how powerless those women were? You’ve gone too far now.

'Have you any concept of how powerless those women were?'
No I haven't as we still havent heard the proven facts.

@JaniieJones

'Have you any concept of how powerless those women were?' No I haven't as we still havent heard the proven facts.

The proven facts show teenage girls coerced by rich, powerful men three times their age. It doesn’t take much imagination to work out the power imbalance involved.

I've seen some of these women interviewed. They come from poor backgrounds were vulnerable and were lured. Some were as young as 14. Some were homeless.

Read this...
www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/article/how-did-jeffrey-epstein-run-his-sex-trafficking-network

He ran a sex trafficking pyramid scheme.

Disclaimer - allegedly

I made a mistake... some were as young as 12.

@Roussette

I made a mistake... some were as young as 12.

I didn’t realise that. There are no words.

The thing is Alsohuman there were hundreds of them. They'll never get to the bottom of it. It's only the more self assured ones who are fighting for justice. There will be a huge proportion of them who will just go back to their lives and have to cope with the shame and effects of what happened to them, at the hand of rich powerful older individuals.

It's so very sad. Here are some of their stories.

www.thecut.com/2019/07/how-many-jeffrey-epstein-victims-are-there.html

@JaniieJones

'Have you any concept of how powerless those women were?' No I haven't as we still havent heard the proven facts.

On this basis, Jimmy Savile's character was as pure as the driven snow. Because he was never convicted of anything, nothing was ever proven in a court of law. We can never have any way of knowing whether the children were powerless against his money, connections and fame. No way at all.

It reminds of the quote from BBC correspondence saying that there was no real evidence of Savile's wrongdoing, "just the women".