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Running out of ways to congratulate my husband

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AdifferentGoat · 08/04/2021 15:06

My husband is doing quite well in his job. He's always been driven and rather disciplined. I have struggled massively as to get my act together due to lingering depression. I'm actively working on this. To cut a long story short, he is forever talking about his achievements, sending whatsapp messages about articles that pertain to his field, using most opportunities as to inspire discussions that draw the discussion back to him... I could go on and on.
He's upset because I don't understand how busy he is. I get it. He's very busy and important but I miss the man I once knew. I miss him. I'm not enjoying being married to a walking well-aligned resume. The other day he was a bit off and I asked him what was wrong. With a sigh, he stated he was hurt that a colleague of his did not congratulate him on something. Am I being unreasonable to think maybe my husband is lost in the great abyss that is his unending need to be validated? Naturally there is more to him but I'm struggling with this issue and it's tainting my perception of him 😔

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AnxiousPixie · 08/04/2021 17:24

Clearly some insecurities that should be talked about, maybe jealousy that baby is getting all your attention?

However I do wonder what the reception to this post world be off it were gender reversed. 'My husband never helps me celebrate my achievements even though I tell him about them'. He'd be getting pulled to bits as an unsupportive pig that is threatened by her success.

Maybe he needs your validation that he's doing well as someone who loves him? Maybe like a child who asks for it all the time pick times when he hasn't asked for it and just tell him your proud of him out of the blue. Might let him know you've noticed he's doing great without him actually having to tell you about it all the time.

HerculesMulligann · 08/04/2021 17:25

I’d hate to be his colleague - I can’t stand the competitive busyness in my workplace. The worst culprit has recently left but his social media is just like OPs husbands - basically a cringeworthy advert for himself. Including a description of himself as a ‘thought leader’. He is nothing of the kind...

I’ve no idea how so many people - who all essentially do the same job of having meetings, sending emails, writing reports, line management - can each believe that they are so indispensable and that their company couldn’t possibly survive without them.

thesandwich · 08/04/2021 17:26

He needs an exec coach. This is not healthy or necessary.
Get him a copy of the one minute manager. Vv short book😉

mellicauli · 08/04/2021 17:30

People are being really mean here.

He's just had a baby. He's got no idea what he's doing and everything he knew before got thrown out the window. What's more his wife is all depressed and he probably doesn't know what to do about that either.

And he better not lose his job now ..how's he going to provide for his family then?

So, he's throwing his all into work, where he understands what happens and everything is under his control.

You need to tell him straight: you need him there being present , contributing and being part of the family. That now he has a child his #1 priority needs to be his family and work comes #2.

Savoury · 08/04/2021 17:31

I worked in a company like this - full of insecure over-achievers. The talk was always about how busy they were, how hard they worked and how fabulous their family/friends/social life was. In their holidays, they trekked up Machu Picchu or volunteered with street children in Delhi.
I met many of their partners who had endured this for years. Regardless of level, they had all been fed the same old story about how important their partner's job was.
It was frankly exhausting working with these people. The company was very successful as all these people did extra hours and were always on call.

ConnieCaterpillar70 · 08/04/2021 17:39

DH runs his own business. It's an obsession. Me and the kids aren't even on the hymn sheet most days, let alone the same one.

Honest answer, there are times I wish I'd walked away when I was young enough and confident enough to do so.

GoWalkabout · 08/04/2021 17:39

Be supportive but firm. He could deal with his childhood through alcohol or drugs, but he's chosen workaholism (could be worse) but you are right it's not sustainable. Tell him, oi, you know how your childhood was unstable? Well if you don't get the balance right dds childhood will be unstable because you will have a breakdown, I'll leave you and you'll get worse. So gently but firmly demand family time, demand work conversation free zones, demand that he takes up a hobby. Figure out interesting stuff to talk to each other about. Tell him you want him to come home with a film or book recommendation from someone (so he can stop boring them too). And phone off by x time.

Covert19 · 08/04/2021 17:40

My husband is/was a bit like yours OP. Doesn't need all the validation from me, but works horrendous hours.

When our second baby was tiny he had a promotion at work, with more responsibility and for a while that was all he could think about. There was one evening, where I'd had the two children (age 2 months and 21 months) all day on my own - he'd left the house at 8pm and at 9pm he called to say he'd finished his corporate dinner, but was going on for drinks and would be back who-knows-when. My baby had not let me put her down for about five hours. I'd had to cook, eat, try to get my older one to sleep all with the baby hanging off me. I was empty. I asked him to come home and his response was "I need to spend time with these people; I have a relationship with them". I was so mad - what about his relationship with his family!?

Unfortunately, he never saw it from my perspective - just thought I was jealous of his big important job and his night out on the town.

He's always been a workaholic - pushes himself and shoulders more responsibility than he needs to - so that he now looks at least ten years older than he really is. People comment on it.

At weekends he refuses to work, but instead he falls asleep on the sofa cos he's so tired from pushing himself all week.

Periodically I will get to the end of my rope and tell him how abandoned I feel - how he uses up all the best of himself at work, leaving me with an exhausted shell of a man at the weekend. He'll hear it, do something like book a weekend away togetehr, arranging childcare etc, then go right back to the workaholic mode the next Monday.

One particularly bad episode was when he'd booked a weekend away for us, and I was so looking forward to it. We went into the hotel room, and I started to unpack, went into the bathroom to freshen up and came into the room fully prepared for rampant sex, which is what we would always do on checking into a hotel, only to find him on his laptop "clearing my emails before dinner, so I can relax". Honestly, something died at that point. I felt so unimportant. I'd looked forward to time away together, to focus on one another, but all he was focused on was work. And he couldn't see that his need to clear the emails before he could relax meant that he was prioritising work before me. Again.

BUT what has happened after 20 years of working at this mad pace is he's had a "midlife crisis", has quit his very important job, and is now thinking of taking on something less demanding.

His perspective has suddenly changed. Only the other night he said to a friend, "it's interesting hearing Covert's take on this - I wish she'd told me these things about my job and the way I worked before." I HAD told him - he just didn't listen when he was in the thick of it.

I am aware that I have gone on for far too long. The floodgates have opened! We are still married, still happy together, but this is a big part of our life and I have had to learn to deal with it. I tend to remind myself that he's bringing in the money, and he's a good honest man. I'd rather be married to someone who works hard than a lazy slob or a wet blanket with no ambition.

I just have to watch that I maintain balance in my life because my tendency is to try to match his work hours with endless activity, and I end up feeling guilty if I'm relaxing whilst he's working.

Definitely tell your husband how you feel, but you have to be prepared that this will be the pattern for your life together, if that's the way he is.

Wearywithteens · 08/04/2021 17:40

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RedcurrantPuff · 08/04/2021 17:42

He sounds dull and needy. He could do with being told if he dropped dead he’d be replaced in a heartbeat and no one would give 2 shits about his achievements.

AcornAutumn · 08/04/2021 17:42

OP "harping about how busy he is as he creates further work for himself."

Have you said to him that he's creating work for himself?

I have known people do this because they're scared of redundancy.

WilsonMilson · 08/04/2021 17:42

He sounds so tedious.
My dh can go into ‘very busy and important man’ mode at times, but only when he’s under stress. It’s not a validation thing in his case, more the case that he is exceptionally busy and under quite a bit of pressure.
If that’s not the case I think you should tell him that he’s becoming a tedious bore and that he needs to get over himself.

ReceptacleForTheRespectable · 08/04/2021 17:44

Utter tedious narcissim. I'd ignore his attempts to get congratulations from you. You're his wife and partner in life, he should not need this level of validation from you. Where are your congratulations? What attention do you get?

RedcurrantPuff · 08/04/2021 17:45

@AcornAutumn

OP "harping about how busy he is as he creates further work for himself."

Have you said to him that he's creating work for himself?

I have known people do this because they're scared of redundancy.

Thing is, that won’t protect you from redundancy. Nothing will, if that axe is going to fall it will.
Redcrayons · 08/04/2021 17:45

He sounds so dull, these ‘busy’ people always are.

I used to work with someone similar. He once sent me an email at 10pm to ask me if I could send him the company Social media URLs. Google could have told him in less time than it took him to email me, but then I wouldn’t know that he’s so important he’s emailing at 10pm.

How far along the ‘ffs, you’re boring. STFU’ conversation have you been?

AcornAutumn · 08/04/2021 17:47

Redcurrant oh I know it won't protect anyone

I'm just saying it because I've seen people do it and if that's it, it would be a different chat than "stop bigging yourself up".

RedcurrantPuff · 08/04/2021 17:47

@Redcrayons

He sounds so dull, these ‘busy’ people always are. I used to work with someone similar. He once sent me an email at 10pm to ask me if I could send him the company Social media URLs. Google could have told him in less time than it took him to email me, but then I wouldn’t know that he’s so important he’s emailing at 10pm.

How far along the ‘ffs, you’re boring. STFU’ conversation have you been?

I always wonder how many of these people actually put send delays on their emails so they just look like they’ve sent them at silly o clock.
museumum · 08/04/2021 17:48

My husband has lost all sense of perspective around work since lockdown 1 began. He's become actually obsessive compulsive about it. He has irrational thoughts and worries that he knows are irrational and he can only quiet the thoughts by checking and rechecking his work and emails and stuff.... I feel really really bad for him. But I'm also so so lonely and miss the 'real' him so much :(

Diverseopinions · 08/04/2021 17:49

I think you have to pleased that he has this trait.

He is hardworking and achievement -driven. Planning the goal and attaining it mean a lot. That's very good - it means he will be personally satisfied with what he has capacity to effect, and, should in future he need to lose weight or increase his exercise, or find a solution to elderly parents care needs, he'd probably be very driven and dedicated to getting it right. Praise is cheap, and good practice for when the offspring will need a lot of validation.
Everybody has faults, and his are very nice faults. He's a good dad, you say, so maybe just accept and be grateful for his particular strengths and foibles.

RedcurrantPuff · 08/04/2021 17:49

@AcornAutumn

Redcurrant oh I know it won't protect anyone

I'm just saying it because I've seen people do it and if that's it, it would be a different chat than "stop bigging yourself up".

Yeah, it’s sad that people think that working like a dog like that will help them. I’ve been that person, slogging my arse off for no extra reward and when the hard times hit the company I was cast aside without a thought. No one gave a shit at how hard I worked, it was all about the top line. I won’t be a mug like that again.
LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 08/04/2021 17:52

Well, he's making the time to tell you that his team thinks he is incredibly important and efficient. If he were truly busy, he wouldn't have the time to notice their fawning gratitude, let alone the time to tell you about it.

I have no sympathy for him.

I do though have a lot for you and your comment about him working himself into an early grave makes me suggest that you do a bit of research on his life insurance to make sure that you and your daughter will have a lovely life whilst he goes about reorganising the heavenly gates and re-doing them to suit him.

Does he have life insurance? If so, is it a good sum? check, check? All's golden then.

I'm being flippant but what an utter tool he is. He'll regret missing out on the baby days and spending them with you... lockdown should have been a terrific opportunity for him.

Never mind, OP. His life insurance... check it.

AcornAutumn · 08/04/2021 17:53

Redcurrant - the sad thing is, I've seen people in their 60s and just think, surely you've seen enough by now to know this isn't how work works?

But then it gets harder if you think you can't find another job.

Then there's people who just think more work makes them a better person so it's quite complicated.

NewMexico · 08/04/2021 17:54

I think this has been exacerbated over lockdown. Everyone I speak to is busier than everyone else 🙄

This is very true and I think it’s partly a result of people not managing their time well when working from home. I’ve found myself having to finish work at weekends and late at night, not because I’m ‘busy’ but because I lack the motivation and self-discipline to get it done within working hours when I’m at home!

Sarahlou63 · 08/04/2021 17:55

Sounds like a bad case of imposter syndrome and chronic insecurity, which must be as exhausting for him as it is annoying for you. It might be worth him looking into CBT to gain some self-acceptance.

thelegohooverer · 08/04/2021 17:59

Could you get him to agree to a period each day where you don’t talk about work, eg at dinner time. No business talk, no phones.

You might have to lead the conversation at first.

When we married first dh was working very long hours. And the rest of his time was devoted to extreme hobbies. He grew up in a family where you were required to always be busy. Added to that, he was working in the family business and it had been a major subject of conversation in his home.

He has learned from me how to relax, and that it’s not emotionally dangerous to take a break. One of the things he enjoys is being allowed to leave work at the door when he comes home.

It takes time to establish the culture of your household and it isn’t something that happens overnight.