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Reporting your son

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Aqua55 · 30/03/2021 12:44

Looking at the rape culture in schools, and having a 7 month ds myself, i was wondering how many parents would report their school aged sons to the Police if they suspected or knew that they had committed a sexual assault.

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waterlego · 30/03/2021 17:30

That’s sad for your sister @Biffbaff. I hope she has plenty of support and good relationships with friends and family that can help her to build her self-esteem and understand that she is a victim of abuse. Hopefully whoever is supporting her is also making sure to tell her that this is not her fault.

It often seems to happen like that. But then there are also plenty of occasions when women meet men who are charming and lovely and who then rape/assault/beat them.

And there are the women who manage to find strength to leave abusive men but get killed by them anyway. Remember the young woman in Brighton who left a horribly abusive boyfriend who persisted in stalking and threatening her? She reported him several times, was ignored by police and was then murdered by him.

ParadiseIsland · 30/03/2021 17:33

I have two teens sons.

Of i was hearing that they were sexually harassing/assaulting women or girls, I would brit the roof (and they know it too).

Whether I would report to the police would depend n what has been going on. I might well have a right at go at them too and give them the opportunity to change.
I wouldn’t accept such behaviour many time though.

Biffbaff · 30/03/2021 17:42

@waterlego Yes it is very sad. She has lots of support and of course I would never say his behaviour is her fault, his behaviour is all on him. But in terms of the relationship I can't help thinking that I wish she could see she deserves better, that she could leave him, although as you quite rightly point out leaving is the most dangerous time in an abusive relationship. I think in the question of 'why didn't she just leave?' there are honest, complicated answers like she was in love, she was scared, her self esteem was on the floor - but that's another thread entirely I think!

Itsalonghaul · 30/03/2021 17:42

We aren't going to get anywhere until something is done about violent porn and rape, and children's access to it on line.

We aren't going to get anywhere whilst it is still okay to blame girls and women, and access her history through her phone and sexual partners to be used against her in court.

We aren't going to get anywhere until the barbaric experience in court improves for girls and women going through the justice system.

The whole culture of men objectifying women has to stop, including strip clubs and all the rest.

We need to cleanse society and start again. Starting with small children learning to respect each other to serious consequences for teens that over step the mark. We need discipline, respect and courtesy back - no excuses.

Some of these things need to be done by law, some will need addressing at school and others at home. But we now need to take this very very seriously, because the impact on all of our children is going to be immense as the fallout becomes obvious in generations to come.

LaceyBetty · 30/03/2021 17:45

@Biffbaff I take your point about your sister and abusive relationships. Actually, my sister in is one as well and its heartbreaking. We had a similar upbringing (very close in age) so it is hard to know why her boundaries are different than mine.

But, that's not really what to OP was about. It's about school age sons sexually assaulting. Also we have heard stories about sibling and step siblings. Teaching self esteem isn't the answer to that kind of abuse.

Serin · 30/03/2021 17:48

I would report them. I've been raped.
They know my feelings about men abusing women.
They would no longer be my son.

waterlego · 30/03/2021 17:49

@Biffbaff That must be so hard for you to witness. Hoping with everything I have that in time, your sister is able to see that she deserves better than this man and is able to escape him. 💐

I agree with PP though that the situations discussed on this thread are a little different.

CoralieSim · 30/03/2021 17:50

I have a son and I wouldn't report him. There's only two instances in which I think I would. That would be if he committed a crime against a child or against my other DC. I don't think there's any other situation in which I would. And as a PP said, I'd actively cover up for him too, even knowing the risks to myself. DH wouldn't. He always said he'd report.

BluntlySpoken · 30/03/2021 17:53

If I was 100 percent certain. Yes without a doubt!
And for anything in fact
When he was about 7 he wanted something in a shop. I had said no. He then said I'll take it.
We got through till and he was looking very snug. Until we got to the security at front and I said excuse me my son has something he's not paid for and said my son would obviously like to see the holding room and wait for the police. They let him see the holding room and made him promise never to take anything again then they wouldn't call the police this time.
But now at 15 he will still say mum I remember that in that shop and I'd never want to try again even if something small. I know you'd grass!
In fact about 18m ago he was teased because he wouldn't steal some sweets from a corner shop on a dare. Because it stuck in his head what I'd do.

ancientgran · 30/03/2021 17:54

[quote Biffbaff]@waterlego Yes it is very sad. She has lots of support and of course I would never say his behaviour is her fault, his behaviour is all on him. But in terms of the relationship I can't help thinking that I wish she could see she deserves better, that she could leave him, although as you quite rightly point out leaving is the most dangerous time in an abusive relationship. I think in the question of 'why didn't she just leave?' there are honest, complicated answers like she was in love, she was scared, her self esteem was on the floor - but that's another thread entirely I think![/quote]
It often takes more than one attempt to leave. I knew a lovely young woman with a beautiful son who put up with the most terrible abuse, coming into work with broken bones and black eyes. She would talk it through with her manager, colleagues, friends and say she was leaving but generally she didn't or she'd go back in days.

As it was a care environment I told her we needed her to take out an injunction as it was too much of a risk him coming to one of the homes and upsetting the vulnerable residents. I think somehow protecting others made it feel different for her and she got the injunction and left him. A group of male colleagues borrowed the works van and took her to their home and removed all her stuff, he didn't turn up but if he had I think he'd have been a fool to cause a fuss, those guys would have liked the opportunity to vent their feelings. She was a popular person, very likeable and we all felt very protective. I arranged somewhere for her to live for a few weeks and with her permission I contacted her parents, he'd stopped her seeing them. As soon as her dad could arrange some time off they came and collected her.

We were sorry she had to move away but so happy she was safe.

I hope your sister finds the strength and I'm sure you will all be there for her.

starsparkle08 · 30/03/2021 17:56

In my case I wasn’t believed by my ex partners parents . I’m sure a lot of families will refuse to believe their son can do such a thing .

Biffbaff · 30/03/2021 17:57

[quote LaceyBetty]@Biffbaff I take your point about your sister and abusive relationships. Actually, my sister in is one as well and its heartbreaking. We had a similar upbringing (very close in age) so it is hard to know why her boundaries are different than mine.

But, that's not really what to OP was about. It's about school age sons sexually assaulting. Also we have heard stories about sibling and step siblings. Teaching self esteem isn't the answer to that kind of abuse. [/quote]
Thank you. Same here with my sister and our ages actually. Sorry you're going through this too.

Also yes, sorry I misunderstood about the thread being about school aged children/child to child abuse and didn't mean to derail. Of course that is different entirely.

TeeniefaeTroon · 30/03/2021 18:00

I have a son and I honestly don't think I would.

cinammonbuns · 30/03/2021 18:00

This thread is stomach churning. The amount of people who would protect their children even if the committed a heinous crime is disgusting but not shocking.

starsparkle08 · 30/03/2021 18:02

I think @Landofsmiles is sadly right

Naunet · 30/03/2021 18:03

This thread is stomach churning. The amount of people who would protect their children even if the committed a heinous crime is disgusting but not shocking

Agree, I feel sick reading some of this.

cinammonbuns · 30/03/2021 18:04

@Naunet and the people who say that in reality everyone would do the same. No, if I knew my child had committed a crime I would report them. Shielding them from their rightful punishment is neglectful not just to society but as a parent.

Littlepaws18 · 30/03/2021 18:08

If any of my children committed a crime I wouldn't report them, I'd drive them to the police station where they can confess themselves. If they were stupid enough to do the crime, they can be responsible enough to accept responsibility and live with the consequences.

MsTSwift · 30/03/2021 18:08

Not reporting would leave you in a worse hell.

You would know what your child was capable of. If they did it again you are to blame for that. You have to look in the mirror every day and know what you have done. The damage is done as soon as you know of the crime. Covering it up won’t save you or them.

MsTSwift · 30/03/2021 18:09

Most crimes I would cover up (propert damage heat of moment fight etc) but purposefully intentionally hurting someone else or rape I really don’t think I could. No matter how adorable they were as a toddler.

Biffbaff · 30/03/2021 18:11

@waterlego and @ancientgran Thanks for your messages, I appreciate the support. Yes it is an average of 7 times to leave isn't it. Your colleague sounds so strong and fortunate to have such support for her.

I don't wish to derail further, I only mentioned that background to explain the angle I was coming to this from.

MsTSwift · 30/03/2021 18:14

Also dh would not cover it up. He is the most honest person I know. He wouldn’t even watch someone else’s Netflix!

ReginaFalange85 · 30/03/2021 18:15

This is a 7 month old child. We have got a bit out of our trees a bit I think.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 30/03/2021 18:17

Girls can be just as horrible as boys, to my mind, and psychological bullying is every bit as damaging as any other type.

Response:

^Clearly stated by someone who has never been through rape.
That is perhaps the worst thing I have ever read on Mumsnet. Congratulations^.

I second the person who responded to this comment. And there is a lot of it about on Mumsnet at the moment: it's an emerging narrative and it's derailed a fair few threads about sexual violence and abuse.

This minimising of rape - a horrible, invasive, humiliating psychologically damaging crime - together with a culture of victim-blaming and on occasion active tormenting of women who say they have been rape victims, has shown an extremely ugly undertow of this site over past weeks. I won't ask if these people think about what they are writing as they write it, as I'm convinced they know exactly what they're doing. And the narrative usually arises from a position of NAMALT, 'women are just as bad', and taking issue with this position makes you a 'man hater'.

I've been a victim of rape twice, both times at the age of fifteen, and endured sustained bullying (at the hands of both mean girls and boys) and I know exactly which of these incidents were the most damaging. To try and lump them into to the same category of problem is repulsive. And I'll call this type of behaviour out every fucking time I see it. It's not acceptable. (And says something very ugly about the agenda of the kinds of people posting it).

I've come under sustained attacks from two or three posters - perhaps the same poster, their style of expression and bellicose tone are strikingly familiar - for taking this stance. MNHQ are aware (and take a dim view of it).

It's taken me the thick end of 25 years to be able to speak about this: in part thanks to #MeToo, and I won't be put off by some piece of work hiding under an alias on MN. Talking about it might help someone else. Staying silent helps only the perpetrators.

And who, exactly, stands to gain what by keeping the status quo precisely the same as it always was? I will not be bullied into stopping writing about these experiences.

MsTSwift · 30/03/2021 18:17

You would be those scummy parents who tried (and failed) to cover for their sons when they shot the little lad in Liverpool.