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Double standards on mn.

744 replies

thatwasme22 · 29/03/2021 14:55

This week so far:

  1. I have seen various posters defend Caroline Flack for having issues. Maybe she did but then the same argument would not be made on Chris Browne.
  1. A thread on the physical attractiveness on male politicians. Imagine a male forum did this on females.
  1. A thread with a woman hiding her inheritance from her husband and encouraged to do so by many posters and him being called financially abusive for being sensible over money. When men do this on mn it's all ltb.

Am I missing something? I call myself a feminist so am pro equality and that's how I raised my kids but why is this not being called out on mn?

OP posts:
1Morewineplease · 29/03/2021 21:31

I understand what you mean.
Clearly some don't.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 29/03/2021 21:33

I understand what you mean.
Clearly some don't.

Clearly they do. And they disagree.

maybemu · 29/03/2021 21:36

I understand what you are saying and I see it every day.

So many women defend CF for abusing many of her bf's. If she had been a man he would have been in arrested and wouldn't have had this outcry that it was a witch hunt when he killed himself.

If we expect men to equally share their money why shouldn't we share ours.

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 29/03/2021 23:34

@Pumperthepumper can I just say I salute your perseverance in the face of people who are wilfully obtuse, miss the point and use straw man arguments. Well doneS

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 29/03/2021 23:35

patriarchy doesn’t end because you know some nice men

I feel like I need this on a t-shirt

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 29/03/2021 23:37

I don't need to post it find it yourself its been all over where its said all men on post hence why some moaned about it

It doesn't work like that @Knowingitsallover

  • if YOU make an unlikely claim like that it's up to YOU to show us the goods.

You can't show us because they don't exist.

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 29/03/2021 23:42

@MinnieMous3

YANBU the double standards on here are unreal, and just the general lack of self awareness.

People moving from London to rural villages then post to complain there ‘isn’t enough culture and not much going on’

Women who have unprotected sex, get pregnant then write a post about their conflicted feelings over their ‘unplanned pregnancy’ I mean duhhhh

Posters in AIBU deciding to believe the 1% of posters who agreed with them rather than the 99% who don’t and going ‘thanks for all techie supportive messages’. All 2 of them.

People posting about their kids being little shits, then asking whether they should be apologising for telling them off 🙄 now I can see why they’re a little shit...

It’s maddening

I don't think double standards means what you think it means
NiceGerbil · 29/03/2021 23:44

Yep agree!

MinnieMous3 · 29/03/2021 23:50

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

That’s why I added ‘lack of self awareness’. Just felt like offloading my complaints somewhere Smile

Mycatisthebest · 29/03/2021 23:54

“A thread on the physical attractiveness on male politicians.
Must have been a short thread.”
😂😂

NiceGerbil · 29/03/2021 23:56

I was going to say that IME many of the 'nice' men take the piss and hardly even realise because deep down it's their... What's the word. Right? Role?

And also that a lot of the crappy stereotypes that could be raised on this thread seem to actually often benefit them.

EG the idea that the man is useless round the house. He's a bit dim. He's put custard on the dog. Etc. The woman rolls her eyes at his hopelessness and swoops in and cleans it all up in a trice.

I've heard men griping about that stereotype but I've seen them play up to it at work to get out of helping with something. Oh don't ask me. I don't know about that. I'll fuck it up.

So the men get a stereotype to whine about, and they also get out of the cleaning.

The reverse I suppose would be a woman feigning an inability to change a tyre or similar. Problem with this is lots of men can't either Grin and also it's hardly a regular task.

Just trying to think of an opposite I know it will come up!

What I do know is that very large numbers of men 'work late' and talk to their mates or read the paper to avoid kid bed/ bath, most that I know seem with covid to have essentially expected their oh to do it with them chipping in etc etc.

So when there are double standards, I'm just not sure that they are equivalent.

Meanwhile we get loads of really tricky double standard stuff often around our clothes and sex lives with sometimes really serious social consequences.

Knowingitsallover · 30/03/2021 00:28

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows its not upto me to show anything I know what I have read by some and its quite clear and it doesn't work that you get to tell me what I should and shouldn't do
Eithed

AutomaticMoon · 30/03/2021 00:33

But there are men rating women by attractiveness in forums... you haven’t seen this? They literally call women by number of attractiveness on the scale of 1-10 e.g. ‘She’s a 6’

NiceGerbil · 30/03/2021 00:38

And way worse see p**ternet.

Well I mean don't go and look at it obv.

The claim that if men did this (rated a female politician on looks? What's Nicola sturgeons nickname again?) There would be a horrified outcry is really weird.

Maybe some people live very sheltered lives?

Knowingitsallover · 30/03/2021 00:43

@AutomaticMoon the op knows that happens and is saying how it has women on uproar that this happens yet women have done same thing and there is no uproar - hence double stamdards

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 30/03/2021 00:45

[quote Knowingitsallover]@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows its not upto me to show anything I know what I have read by some and its quite clear and it doesn't work that you get to tell me what I should and shouldn't do
Eithed [/quote]
It is ABSOLUTELY up to you to back up your claims. You can't say "loads of people on MN day all men are rapists" then say "ha I'm not going to show you - find it yourself".

But if we working on that principle then I've seen loads of posters on MN claim that all women have a secret vagina. I know what I read and I'm not compelled to back it up.

See how it works?

If you don't want to actually show us these "all men" comments then you have no right to complain when people say they think you're talking absolute bollocks.

Kimye4eva · 30/03/2021 00:46

I don’t think it’s so much a case of double standards, but this whole place has got very argumentative and what happens with 99% of discussions is they go against the OP.

I could start a thread saying why I think the earth is round and it would result in a massive pile on telling me I was small minded, had no proof and should really listen to the people claiming it’s flat.

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 30/03/2021 00:47

@NiceGerbil custard on the dog really made me laugh Grin

And yes IME men are happy to live up to the stereotype of useless dimwit if it means getting out of something.

My favourite is when a poster comes on and asks if other women have husbands who take an hour to poo. As if men have a biological difference that means it takes 30x as long as a woman for a poo to fall out their bum. They're doing it to avoid you - I bet they don't take an hour at work when the boss is around!

NiceGerbil · 30/03/2021 01:04

Kimy I still think it was an extremely poor analogy to compare Caroline flack to the bloke with a string of sex offences accusations going back years etc.

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 30/03/2021 01:14

I wonder if the OP or the other MRAs could find any more examples of violent female celebrities? Because of the top of my head, the violent male ones include:

Mike Tyson
Donald Trump
Mark Wahlberg
Jimmy Saville
Rolf Harris
R Kelly
Michael Jackson
Armie Hammer
Gary Glitter
Boy George
Mel Gibson
Kevin Spacey
Emile Hirsch
OJ Simpson
Roman Polanski
Woody Allen
Charlie Sheen
Bill Cosby
Mark Salling

That's 19 that I thought of without googling.

Anyone care to think of 18 more violent female celebrities? I'll wait.

If not, don't talk about double standards - that's just a fact.

Knowingitsallover · 30/03/2021 01:27

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows nowhere did i say people say all men are rapists on mumsnet are rapists nowhere at all so
Stop putting words in my mouth
I said many a posted have claimed all
Men are a bad , in some way or another and that there are only a couple of exceptions of men as stated on a post that you applauded where it said there are maybe one or two good men
This thread was about double standards and i agree with the OP some do have double standards and my opinion is as valid as yours

NiceGerbil · 30/03/2021 01:31

So you would and do apply the same to both.

Work do having fun drinks. Woman says come back to room you met her that night. You would say yes. (Imagine it if you wouldn't. You say yes). Same response to a man, from you?

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 30/03/2021 01:32

Your opinion isn't valid when you refuse to back up your argument with proof that women say "all men are bad". You can't, because it didn't happen. You're welcome to make claims but have the decency to back up those claims

there are only a couple of exceptions of men as stated on a post that you applauded where it said there are maybe one or two good men

This is the second time you've misrepresented my 'applause' post - you make it sound like I'm applauding that it's ok for women to make disparaging remarks about men's appearances, and then 'there were only one or two good men' (which is it?). That post was about six paragraphs of extremely good points and I was praising the post in general. It's very telling of someone who can't form a proper argument that they take ONE part and claim another poster was "applauding" that bit.

Also that post I applauded DID NOT claim there were only one or two good men in the world 🙄

It's soooo tedious when someone comes onto a thread and their basis for all their posts is to completely misrepresent and take out of context what others have said to back up their own feeble point. Learn to construct an argument before you embarrass yourself

Knowingitsallover · 30/03/2021 01:32

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows I can also say exactly what I want and don't have to back it up if you don't believe me I really don't care you are a stranger on the internet , what you think of what I write or what I know i have seen really doesn't concern me , you can think its bollocks as I think some of what you have written is also bollocks , you have an opinion I have an opinion , one is not more valid than the other
Anyway hiding this thread now as I know what I think and that is I agree with the Op on some peoples double standards others don't as is their right

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 30/03/2021 01:35

Yes you can right what you want, but if you openly refuse to back up some ridiculous and unlikely claims it's rather silly to throw your toys out the pram because people don't believe you. Writing 'people have said all men are bad' on a forum doesn't make it true

You've also been asked questions several times by many posters and have refused to answer any. So forgive me if I don't buy that you have any skin in this game other than to tick off people far more intelligent than you for not cantering men in their feminism