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To think boarding school is cruel?

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MinnieMous3 · 27/03/2021 21:33

I really can’t understand why anyone would send a child under 16 to boarding school (unless, say, they had such challenging behaviour the family could no longer manage it).

I feel like even if the child enjoys it, it won’t sit right with them in future that their parents were happy to optionally spend so little time with them.

There were also a lot of interesting posts on the previous thread from partners of people who went to boarding school, and how it impacts their lives today.

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MinnieMous3 · 28/03/2021 15:55

[quote sipsmith1]@SavannahLands any solider irrespective of rank can have 80% of their boarding school fees paid by the government up to £20,000. Lots of schools give bursaries for the remaining 20% as bursaries. You don’t have to be an officer at all.[/quote]
I don’t understand this. Why don’t army wives (or husbands) stay in one place with the kids? Why do they have to be dumped in boarding school so they can follow their spouse around?

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MinnieMous3 · 28/03/2021 15:56

@Blimeyoreilly2020

Only now I’m in my 40s do am I fully realising the truly detrimental effects of boarding school (from 8-18).....
Flowers what happened if you don’t mind my asking?
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BiBabbles · 28/03/2021 15:57

yes it was a blanket statement but there wasn’t room for nuance in the title.

There was plenty of room. All it would take is two more little words: "To think boarding schools can be cruel?" There, far less absolute and plenty of nuance options and may have elicited a different response.

I don’t understand how parents attach such weight to the opinions of children.

My children are home educated for primary (where I have taken their opinion into resources used and some of their courses), but I allow my children to pick from secondary (within our budget, so boarding isn't an option).

I give so much weight to their opinion in part because I see a benefit in their making choices and respecting their opinions (and home educating, I see what happens if I continue on with a curriculum they hate) and in part because I wasn't given much options as a child. When it was deemed best for my mother to stay home and my father to travel around, when it was moving around to keep us together, when it was seen as best to live with my grandparents...hell I didn't even get a say in my own hair colour from the age of 4 - 15, I was bleached because my mother thought I looked better that way.

I spent my whole childhood having adults say they knew exactly what was best for my siblings and I (and then we were at fault if it didn't work like magic), and learning not only did my opinion not matter, but that I was powerless and so unworthy of consideration with so much information was being withheld from me in the making of these choices even when we all lived in the same house.

I think it is lazy parenting Being your child’s main carer isn’t martyrdom, surely that’s what you should expect when you have a child?
I grew up in the age of lazy parenting - where children were tossed out to play in the street as early and young as possible and we generally raised each other and ourselves, where you never discussed decisions with children - you just made them and forced them to comply, and even with all that, there were many mother's reliant on "mother's little helpers", alcohol, pot, and other drugs, reliant on the wider community to keep an eye on things because they weren't coping (especially when their husbands worked away for long periods of time) -- and no one talked about "savouring the moment".

We're living the cultural backlash from different reactions to that. It's the whole "They fuck you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do..." no matter which options you take, no matter if it goes MN picture perfect or not, we will all fuck up our kids a bit in part because different children even within the same family react differently. There are researchers trying, and some things have clearer impact in others, but on the whole, we can't pick out something like this and say what the end result will be.

Some people who go to boarding school have zero bond with their family as adults, some have a middling sort, and some are close.

Some people who lived with the parents and went to school have zero bond with their family as adults, some have a middling sort, and some are close.

Some people who are home educated have zero bond with their family as adults, some have a middling sort, and some are close.

Even within the same family, with the same situations, you'll get different results - it's really hard to predict. I haven't seen my parents or siblings since 2003. My sister was as a young adult besties with our mother even after years of not seeing her. Both my siblings have had addiction issues and have had them since childhood - I saw my sister drunk at 12, I didn't even try alcohol until I was 30. We can talk about probability, but the idea that boarding automatically leads to people who aren't close to their family ignores there are a wide range of factors involved in that.

17 year olds should be living at home and also living their own lives instead of being a cooped up in school 24/7

At 17, I finished high school with some university credits and immigrated thousands of miles away a couple weeks later. That was me, living my own life -- finally living my own life.

HugeAckmansWife · 28/03/2021 16:14

minnie no, the Disney parent is my ex who sees them 4 days a month. I work full time and do everything else. I think I'm done now, you are utterly ridiculous, narrow minded and judgemental. If your child grows up with you as their sole role model, I fear for them. I'm out.

mamatocaptainchaos · 28/03/2021 16:16

I loved it!! Was like a sleepover with your friends every night!

MinnieMous3 · 28/03/2021 16:19

@HugeAckmansWife

minnie no, the Disney parent is my ex who sees them 4 days a month. I work full time and do everything else. I think I'm done now, you are utterly ridiculous, narrow minded and judgemental. If your child grows up with you as their sole role model, I fear for them. I'm out.
That’s about the same as PP who sees their boarding child every 3 weeks, if not more. I’m sorry for your situation it sounds very tough.
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lockeddownandcrazy · 28/03/2021 16:35

I think its an awful thing to do but I know someone who lived just down the way from the school and chose to board as she loved it better than being at home as an only child

NeedaLittleNap · 28/03/2021 16:37

I remember a big bunch of us chatting and all agreeing we were all sooo lucky to be boarders because it would be so weird to see your parents every day. Like, what would you talk about? Similar with phoning home. Not so much "too busy having fun", more not really seeing what it would achieve.

I wasn't unhappy at boarding school, I wasn't abused or bullied, and my parents would 100% tell you I loved it. But I think many parents are too quick to dismiss the potential long term psychological ramifications. It's human nature isn't it - it happens to other people's children, I'm a great parent and I turn up to lacrosse matches and my child enjoys the extra horse riding so it won't happen to mine. Yet that bunch of us, all thinking how weird and unnecessary it would be to live at their parents' house age 12/13. That wasn't psychologically healthy. I don't buy that the long term damage happens only to children who had poor parents anyway or went years ago. There were too many of us, and I don't think today's "outstanding pastoral support" and mobile phones and film nights will prevent it.

MinnieMous3 · 28/03/2021 16:44

If I posted on MN to say I had sent my 10 year old to live with their aunty full time, because aunty lived next door to the amazing school they go to, and I lived an hour away, everyone would find it weird. And that’s with the child living with someone they have a family bond with, not just paid staff. I expect I would get replies saying ‘Why not just move house?’ Or ‘why not send them to a different school?’.

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Wannakisstheteacher · 28/03/2021 16:46

We are an Army family. DS boarded from 11 after 5 primary schools. He likes it - most certainly doesn’t love it , he would much, much prefer to be a day boy. He however, does see that moving in Y10 and Y12 wouldn’t have worked for him actually achieving what he’s capable of. The whole thing is pretty sad if I’m honest. The fees are a constant struggle (the Army pays a lot, but not all) and I feel I lost him, for want of a better word, much earlier than I was ready for.

sipsmith1 · 28/03/2021 16:49

@MinnieMous3 my children don’t go to boarding school yet but they will if they want to, likely in year 9 but possibly year 7.

My husband went to boarding school because that’s what his family did and loved it. I went to 5 high schools as my dad moved a lot for his job and although got high grades I could have done better. I have an okay relationship with my family, my husband is very close to his.

If we stayed in our house full time my children would see their dad for a night or two every other weekend. Going to boarding school means that they will be home for 5 months solidly and then every other weekend. On balance they’ll have a lot more quality time with us. I’m also not naive enough to think that giving my children a world class education isn’t going to help them go further in life.

MinnieMous3 · 28/03/2021 16:54

I think many parents are too quick to dismiss the potential long term psychological ramifications.

From what I have read on here, it’s fine when they’re skipping off to uni and the independence is transferable, but it’s when they start their own family (or don’t) that the psychological impact hits.

My DP has had to learn how to be part of a family - when we met he was very ‘every man for himself’. If I mentioned needing something from the shop, and he went to the shop later on, he wouldn’t think to pick up whatever it was I needed to save me a job. He didn’t think to put any of my washing in with his own even if he only had a few items. He’s got much better over the years, but I can still see glimpses of it sometimes.

I asked him last night again how he felt boarding has affected him. He said ‘I think it’s affected me in ways which are noticeable to others, but not to me’ which I thought was very telling.

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MinnieMous3 · 28/03/2021 16:55

@Wannakisstheteacher

We are an Army family. DS boarded from 11 after 5 primary schools. He likes it - most certainly doesn’t love it , he would much, much prefer to be a day boy. He however, does see that moving in Y10 and Y12 wouldn’t have worked for him actually achieving what he’s capable of. The whole thing is pretty sad if I’m honest. The fees are a constant struggle (the Army pays a lot, but not all) and I feel I lost him, for want of a better word, much earlier than I was ready for.
That’s really sad Wanna, but thanks for such a candid post. Why do you feel you lost him?
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GetOffYourHighHorse · 28/03/2021 17:01

@MinnieMous3

If I posted on MN to say I had sent my 10 year old to live with their aunty full time, because aunty lived next door to the amazing school they go to, and I lived an hour away, everyone would find it weird. And that’s with the child living with someone they have a family bond with, not just paid staff. I expect I would get replies saying ‘Why not just move house?’ Or ‘why not send them to a different school?’.
Exactly. It's acceptable to palm kids off to live at schools (as they love the hockey) but if we packed them off to actual relatives we'd rightly be called slackers.
loopylou3030 · 28/03/2021 17:06

Went from the age of 8 weekly boarding and used to cry every monday when my Mum dropped me off, once chased her car crying as she drove off, she still left. Then went to military boarding school at age 14 where I went home every 6 weeks. Absolutely horrendous. Never felt like part of my family or wanted and still dont. The FB group for old boys tells the same story. All children are different but no way in this world would I take the chance. I didn't have a child for someone else to bring him up. When I was 8 on my first day at boarding school the headmaster did an assembly for the new children and said from now on I want you to think of me as your new father. Awful. Incidentally my Mum really regrets it now and said in hindsight she shouldnt have done it but she let my dad pressure her, she openly it messed me up and the family but what's done is done.

Wannakisstheteacher · 28/03/2021 17:06

@minnieMous3 He has an entire life now - that we are really not part of. He has good friends I’ve never seen as they live abroad so got back every holiday. If he has difficulties at school it’s much harder to sort them out as we often don’t find out there even is a problem until it’s quite far advanced. Fundamentally I feel than the separation I was expecting when he went to university happened at 11.

Crosstrainer · 28/03/2021 17:07

I think it’s a lot more nuanced than people make out - and it very definitely depends on a) family circumstances and b) the child. I’ve known lots of boarders: people I’ve loved and people I’ve hated - a full spectrum. The one thing they all have in common is that they’re “joiners”; they like to fit in. If that’s your personality, then I’m sure it’s great: there’s always a team to play a sport or whatever. If, however, you’re more of a loner, or you like your personal space, it’s probably more difficult. Definitely wouldn’t suit my kids, but would suit others, especially if they want to follow a specialist activity, or if parents work long hours in the week.

RevolvingPivot · 28/03/2021 17:09

@Wannakisstheteacher I don't think you can win either way.

DH will have been in 22 years in 3 years. We stayed in the city we were born so that the kids could stop at one school both our families live within 20 minutes of us. However their dad is only home every other weekend or Easter / Christmas or the odd week. ( So some will obviously think this is also unfair). He was allowed to work from home for 3 months during the first lockdown but only because he's now in charge so can give orders from home and organise training etc.

Can I ask about deployments.
DH had been in 7 wars / conflicts throughout our relationship. When your husband is away for the 6 months did you ever feel like moving gone?

I'm not sure about the army but the marines pay 90% of the fees.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 28/03/2021 17:10

Why do military families use them? If only one is in the army, why doesn't the other stay in one place, provide a secure home life and just see the other parent in holidays etc?

It always puzzles me how some prioritise their partners over their kids. Unless both serving of course.

RevolvingPivot · 28/03/2021 17:11

Moving home not gone 😆

Otterspotterspocket · 28/03/2021 17:12

I was sent to boarding school in the 70's from 11-18. It broke me. I was one of a wave of anorexia sufferers through the school at a time where they did not recognise this as more than attention seeking behaviour, so no support or treatment for many years. Oh and I was groomed and raped by one of the teachers. I also have zero emotional attachment to my parents or sibling who went to a separate school. Got brilliant O and A level results though. Swings and roundabouts hey.

Flowers24 · 28/03/2021 17:13

[quote Wannakisstheteacher]@minnieMous3 He has an entire life now - that we are really not part of. He has good friends I’ve never seen as they live abroad so got back every holiday. If he has difficulties at school it’s much harder to sort them out as we often don’t find out there even is a problem until it’s quite far advanced. Fundamentally I feel than the separation I was expecting when he went to university happened at 11.[/quote]
Thats really hard, did you have to send him at 11 or did you not get a say in it? My ds went to uni for a year and it broke my heart , i hated seeing the empty bedroom every day, i cannot imagine how a parent can part with their child just for education, it isnt the be all and end all.

MinnieMous3 · 28/03/2021 17:13

@GetOffYourHighHorse

Why do military families use them? If only one is in the army, why doesn't the other stay in one place, provide a secure home life and just see the other parent in holidays etc?

It always puzzles me how some prioritise their partners over their kids. Unless both serving of course.

I’ve asked this a couple of times, nobody has answered yet...
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RevolvingPivot · 28/03/2021 17:13

I'm sure I answered @MinnieMous3

RevolvingPivot · 28/03/2021 17:14

Ah sorry I'm on the other end of the discussion.

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