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Is makeup a form of catfishing?

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qwertykeyboards · 27/03/2021 13:11

Okay hear me out. Before I start this thread I just want to say I’m NOT bashing women who wear makeup - I myself love makeup and wear it regularly. I’m just really interested in other peoples opinions.

Lately I’ve just been thinking about whether a full face of makeup could amount to cat fishing of some sort. I myself look completely different when I have a full face of makeup on. In fact when I wear makeup I am constantly catcalled and stared at by men. Whereas when I go out with absolutely nothing on that doesn’t happen as much. Sometimes I even think, “if only you saw me when I woke up this morning!” 😂

I was speaking about this with a couple of my friends who admitted that their boyfriends have yet to see them without makeup! That’s crazy to me! What if the person you’re with ends up totally not into your fresh face and the makeup kind of tricked them into thinking you look like something that in reality took a bunch of makeup and an hour at the mirror to achieve.

Just a thought.

YABU - don’t be so stupid!
YANBU - to an extent makeup can put out a false image

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CaesarsDream · 28/03/2021 16:19

@RootyT00t

One that they can dress and wear whatever the hell they like and it's nobody's business but their own.
What message is this sending to all women and girls though, that a female can only be deemed attractive by others/themselves if they plaster themselves in gloop/alter their appearance?

That doesn't answer the question though. You're sidestepping.

Xenia · 28/03/2021 16:23

i don't wear it. Occasionally I have when on TV etc but not often and from the age of 14 to about 50 men shouted out at me eg when cycling because I have large breasts. It's stopped now due to age - late 50s, about time too...... So I think it just depends.

I never found it hard to find men without make up and in fact too much puts some men off as it seems layered on and they don't want the fuss of it so I don't think its universal that all men prefer women in makeup.

RootyT00t · 28/03/2021 16:25

@CaesarsDream no, I told you what message it sends.

No side stepping here

RootyT00t · 28/03/2021 16:26

Quite @Alsohuman

Always an interesting one when people claim to care about the welfare of young women then criticise them for wearing make up.

CaesarsDream · 28/03/2021 16:27

Why don't men wear make up for that matter then? Because they're allowed to look how they damn well please and we're not.

Not wearing caked make up and false lashes is the essence of feminism.

Fuck the patriarchy. 🖕

Alsohuman · 28/03/2021 16:28

No she’s not sidestepping at all @CaesarsDream. Some women - there are plenty on this thread - don’t like or wear makeup. That’s fine. Some - like me - prefer their faces with it.

That’s choice. Clearly women who choose not to wear it aren’t getting the message that a female can only be deemed attractive by others/themselves if they plaster themselves in gloop/alter their appearance. Your question is based on a false premise.

Alsohuman · 28/03/2021 16:29

Not wearing caked make up and false lashes is the essence of feminism

It’s not. Feminism is choice.

CandyLeBonBon · 28/03/2021 16:29

@ShrinkingViolet9

Sorry, you lost me after the second " I myself..."
I have to agree! 😂
Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 28/03/2021 16:32

Oh it's just sooo hilarious.

CaesarsDream · 28/03/2021 16:39

@Alsohuman

No she’s not sidestepping at all *@CaesarsDream*. Some women - there are plenty on this thread - don’t like or wear makeup. That’s fine. Some - like me - prefer their faces with it.

That’s choice. Clearly women who choose not to wear it aren’t getting the message that a female can only be deemed attractive by others/themselves if they plaster themselves in gloop/alter their appearance. Your question is based on a false premise.

Of course I'm not saying that women shouldn't have a choice. I do question how much of it really is choice, especially for young girls.

How much of it is from peer pressure? Images in popular culture that are glorified by masses of men on social media platforms? Lack of confidence? To keep a boyfriend's attention?

I was a young girl once too... and although I'm a bit older now, I still wear some make up. I don't have an OLD account anymore, when I did, I didn't feel I needed to drastically alter my face in any way.

RootyT00t · 28/03/2021 16:59

@CaesarsDream

Why don't men wear make up for that matter then? Because they're allowed to look how they damn well please and we're not.

Not wearing caked make up and false lashes is the essence of feminism.

Fuck the patriarchy. 🖕

You are off your head.

Because they don't want to? Although some men do wear make up.

Telling other women not to wear cakdd make up and false lashes is exactly the opposite of feminism.

I've never known many men telling a woman she can't wear make up.

The irony of you as a woman dictating to other women what to do and calling it feminism.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 28/03/2021 16:59

[quote CuthbertDibbleandGrubb]@CaesarsDream many people, women and men, are what I term 'fashion victims', blindly following fashion and being scared to be different from others. Make up and tiny bikinis are just two examples.[/quote]
If I didn't look like I was slowly melting from the ribs down, I'd happily wear a tiny bikini on a beach. With a bucket of factor 50, obviously. As it is, I'd wear a (superduper supportive) bikini top with tankini shorts that cover my overhang, because anything lower cut would disappear underneath it and irritate my section scar. And factor 50, because waking up at 3am glowing red enough to distract passing aircraft is neither healthy nor pleasant to experience.

Sometimes I wear makeup, most times I don't. Today, I'm wearing leggings, a T-shirt and some big, fluffy, black and red striped socks and my hair is like an oilslick and smelling extremely petrochemically because I've got a Psoriasis treatment sitting on it at the moment.

But I like wearing makeup, I like having the appearance of longer eyelashes, I like not having a full neckbeard. DP loves me whether I'm like this, whether I'm fully done up in my best workwear or whether I'm wearing clothes I'd regard as suitable for going out (and, no, they aren't heavily sexualised). They're all me.

Same way there's the him that I met during a rehearsal - the scruffy, skinny, shy, balding bloke carrying a shitty guitar. And then there's the man who comes in from work with his shirtsleeves rolled up showing a hint of his arm muscles (from using hand weights at home), collar open, jacket over his shoulder, slightly suntanned from the walk to work, clean shaven face and head, smelling lightly of a woody Chypre cologne. That's not the man I see at the weekend. But I love (and happily shag) both versions. They're still both him - he's not deceiving me.

But it's OK for him and not me? Because he's not marketing his body as I have to be if I do it?

The assumption that I have to be metaphorically selling myself to men through the addition of a bit of mascara, concealer and getting my eyebrows done feels equally misogynistic. And history echoes this, where wearing makeup was associated with being a prostitute and now, where it's apparently a really bad thing in some circles for women to have long hair after 40, wear nail varnish/have longer nails or to wear clothes that show a woman's shape.

It's the language of an ex. Anything I did up to and including brushing my hair and teeth was to entice and attract random men for hookups in the street. Which is offensively misogynistic.

RootyT00t · 28/03/2021 17:00

Good for you @CaesarsDream but lots of people want to wear it and that's their choice.

I'm not a massive make up fan unless for occasions but il put what I bloody want on my own face.

Alsohuman · 28/03/2021 17:13

The irony of you as a woman dictating to other women what to do and calling it feminism

Unfortunately that seems to be the way the current wave of feminism is going. I’m a second wave feminist and have had endless arguments here with people who insist I can’t possibly lay a claim to feminism because I don’t agree with them.

RootyT00t · 28/03/2021 17:16

@Alsohuman

The irony of you as a woman dictating to other women what to do and calling it feminism

Unfortunately that seems to be the way the current wave of feminism is going. I’m a second wave feminist and have had endless arguments here with people who insist I can’t possibly lay a claim to feminism because I don’t agree with them.

Ah yes I am also a not feminist for suggesting that men can and should be feminists.

Join us, we have snacks :)

daisyjgrey · 28/03/2021 17:28

@CaesarsDream

Until you said you were a young girl once I'd have assumed you were a man by the way you spoke about "females" 🤮

You're also talking absolute shite about everything else. For one, sparkly eyeshadow is in no way "false representation" and is not comparable to a man (you didn't use "males", which was interesting) lying about their job.

The only thing you said that I agree with was "fuck the patriarchy", and I can do that with jazzy gold eyelids thanks.

JesusIsAnyNameFree · 28/03/2021 17:38

@DrSbaitso

You shouldn't be falsely representing your appearance to anyone.

I'm giving you a very honest representation of what I look like with purple eyelids. If anyone is too dim to work out that they aren't really purple and that I'll look different when I take the paint off, that's on them. Someone that thick has far more important things to worry about, like how to come in out of the rain and how not to get eaten by a sabre toothed tiger.

I'm giving you a very honest representation of what I look like with purple eyelids. If anyone is too dim to work out that they aren't really purple and that I'll look different when I take the paint off, that's on them

Pretty sure people aren't talking about a bit of lipstick and eye shadow though.

Women these days build up cheekbones and wear fake eyelids and god knows what else. If you have ever only seen them with their full (fake) face on, you will walk past them on the street when you see them without for the first time. They won't be recognisable.

RootyT00t · 28/03/2021 17:40

I'd love to meet these women awho are apparently completely unrecognisable without make up on.

DrSbaitso · 28/03/2021 18:01

Women these days build up cheekbones and wear fake eyelids and god knows what else. If you have ever only seen them with their full (fake) face on, you will walk past them on the street when you see them without for the first time. They won't be recognisable.

If you're talking about extremely heavy makeup, my point goes double: a person who can't tell it's not real is so stupid that they've got far more important things to worry about than this. And their stupidity or face blindness is not my problem to solve, nor a moral issue. Women, and men, can wear whatever makeup they like.

I'm also going to dress in a way that makes me look slimmer than I am. You're free to retch and run away if you do end up seeing me naked, but I can still dress how I like and you have no moral right to try to stop me.

RootyT00t · 28/03/2021 18:02

I've never seen fake eyelids. I'm intrigued.

whenthebellsring · 28/03/2021 18:08

There are so many online examples of makeup transformation if anyone wants to see but "Asian makeup transformation" seems to be more popular on YouTube.

JesusIsAnyNameFree · 28/03/2021 18:13

@DrSbaitso

That's like saying people are stupid if they can't tell someone has (very professionally) photoshopped their pictures. They're not.

Of course they can wear whatever makeup they want. But don't cry about it when the guy sees you the next morning and doesn't call for another date. The beginning of a relationship is based on physical attraction, let's not pretend it's anything else.

@RootyT00t

Oh good. Go on and google it!

DrSbaitso · 28/03/2021 18:30

That's like saying people are stupid if they can't tell someone has (very professionally) photoshopped their pictures.

No, it's like saying someone is stupid if they can't tell that purple eyelids aren't real.

Why are we suddenly talking about Photoshop instead of makeup?

CaesarsDream · 28/03/2021 18:32

Of course they can wear whatever makeup they want. But don't cry about it when the guy sees you the next morning and doesn't call for another date. The beginning of a relationship is based on physical attraction, let's not pretend it's anything else.

100% this. It's the same as men whose OLD photos are all with their mouths closed, only to go on a first date to notice they have the most horrendous stained and damaged teeth. He turned out to be an unsavoury character anyway. I subsequently deleted my OLD account and have never been back.

Also, another poster mentions about abusers using makeup as a form of control. Been there, done that. It didn't make me cake on make up and false lashes after I had the courage to leave him. It did make me take better care of myself in general and to ignore the unrealistic expectations for women to look groomed and 'sparkly' and 'bubbly' at all times.

And btw we're not talking about purple eyelids. Wearing a mask of makeup on your OLD profile IS cat fishing, unless you also add photos of how you look day to day. Like the OLD who should have shown his teeth.

DrSbaitso · 28/03/2021 18:37

I wouldn't want a second date with a halfwit who didn't understand that the purple on my eyelids wasn't real. Someone who knows that little about the female body is unlikely to have given me such a good time in bed that I'd miss the twit.