Is makeup a form of catfishing?

[qwertykeyboards]

Okay hear me out. Before I start this thread I just want to say I’m NOT bashing women who wear makeup - I myself love makeup and wear it regularly. I’m just really interested in other peoples opinions.

Lately I’ve just been thinking about whether a full face of makeup could amount to cat fishing of some sort. I myself look completely different when I have a full face of makeup on. In fact when I wear makeup I am constantly catcalled and stared at by men. Whereas when I go out with absolutely nothing on that doesn’t happen as much. Sometimes I even think, “if only you saw me when I woke up this morning!” 😂

I was speaking about this with a couple of my friends who admitted that their boyfriends have yet to see them without makeup! That’s crazy to me! What if the person you’re with ends up totally not into your fresh face and the makeup kind of tricked them into thinking you look like something that in reality took a bunch of makeup and an hour at the mirror to achieve.
Just a thought.

YABU - don’t be so stupid!
YANBU - to an extent makeup can put out a false image

[RootyT00t]

@CaesarsDream

Of course they can wear whatever makeup they want. But don't cry about it when the guy sees you the next morning and doesn't call for another date. The beginning of a relationship is based on physical attraction, let's not pretend it's anything else.

100% this. It's the same as men whose OLD photos are all with their mouths closed, only to go on a first date to notice they have the most horrendous stained and damaged teeth. He turned out to be an unsavoury character anyway. I subsequently deleted my OLD account and have never been back.

Also, another poster mentions about abusers using makeup as a form of control. Been there, done that. It didn't make me cake on make up and false lashes after I had the courage to leave him. It did make me take better care of myself in general and to ignore the unrealistic expectations for women to look groomed and 'sparkly' and 'bubbly' at all times.

And btw we're not talking about purple eyelids. Wearing a mask of makeup on your OLD profile IS cat fishing, unless you also add photos of how you look day to day. Like the OLD who should have shown his teeth.

Who made you patron saint of who should do what in photos?

[Norwaydidnthappen]

I think so. Some people look like a totally different person without it and it must come as a shock when you wake up next to the make up free version. I don’t really wear much make up so I doubt I’ve ever shocked anyone. I don’t feel I need it and I’ve never been any good at applying it tbh. My cousin wears layers of it and her face basically shines and gleams, I think it looks a little silly and she doesn’t need to wear it to be pretty at all.

[DrSbaitso]

It sounds as though all women should wear makeup, even if they don't like it and prefer not to, to weed out the really stupid people.

If I ever become single and get into dating, I will bear this in mind. Apparently you can get fake eyelids now as well. Maybe when you wear them, they stop you seeing that purple eyelids aren't real.

[AmberItsACertainty]

Makeup isn't a problem because as you age your looks will fade, so if he's going to ditch you the minute he sees you with no makeup on, he's doing you a favour by letting you know what an idiot he is. Are we supposed to try never to age? Or wear the same style clothes forever? Or have the same interests and opinions and never grow or change as a person? Of course not.

Makeup isn't catfish because that's pretending to be another person/someone who doesn't exist. You still exist with makeup on, your personality is the same, you're still you. Catfish is using a celebrity photo and pretending it's you or being a 40yr old male scammer and pretending to be a 20yr old female beauty queen looking for love.

[RootyT00t]

I've never read anything so ridiculous.

These poor wee men waking up and they don't know who the person is 😭

Maybe people doing online dating could turn up in their natural state in their underwear to make sure they aren't being deceitful.

I think il wear my onesie to work tomorrow - I wouldn't want my pupils to not recognise me if they ever see me not in work wear!

[georgarina]

YABU - you can still make yourself look like that, even if it's not how you look straight out of bed.

It's like, is dyeing your hair catfishing? What about shapewear? Botox?

I think anything you can achieve without photoshopping your photos is legit.

[SausageBeanz]

Yeah I agree with you OP (another make up lover here). No one's talking about a 'bit of eyeshadow' ffs, they're talking where the amount and skill of makeup changes how your face looks entirely, ie, you look like another person.

There is highlighting, contouring, etc then there's a bit of foundation and eyeshadow, it's not in the same ball game at all.

Folk who wear heavy makeup and are skilled at it, can easily be unrecognisable without it. And if a fella goes for the type of woman who has heaps of makeup on, then it's his own look out if she doesn't like what he sees without it all.

It's a running joke about going to bed with a stunner and waking up with a munter once the make up is off (forget beer goggles). And I'm a munter without make up. I look like trunchbull. I guess I kinda catfished OH. Thank fuck.
People who are saying that looking like another person entirely with make up to how you look without it isn't catfishing are mental. The original purpose of make up was to accentuate your features.

[Aswad]

YANBU
If you look completely different with makeup on, I mean like a totally different person and unrecognisable than surely that’s a bit deceptive?

[JesusIsAnyNameFree]

@DrSbaitso

It is not like saying that at all. They are not the same thing. Just give up with that one because it's just getting silly.

Because photoshopping your nose to look slimmer, your eyes to be bigger, breasts to be more pushed together and figure to be perfectly shaped and smooth rather than bumpy as it is for your Tinder profile, isn't that different to caking on makeup until you have killer cheekbones that are non-existent, a differently shaped nose, bigger eyes, and the huge pouty lips of Kylie flipping Jenner for your Tinder profile.

[JackieTheFart]

YANBU, I totally get what you mean.

On the one hand - I’m not responsible for a man who can’t tell the difference between no make up and even light make up, but then at the same time, if I attract a person based on how I look and he then doesn’t like the way I look without the heavy make up - whose fault is that? Mine or his?

[DrSbaitso]

Most women who wear makeup can make themselves look a bit brighter and prettier. That's it. The idea that women en masse have the skills of John Carpenter's head of special effects and can use it to metamorphose into Helen of Troy from their true, monstrous form is the stuff of paranoid (and usually male, entitled and not very bright) insanity.

If she beguiled you the night before and the next morning you're actually running screaming from the horror, it wasn't her makeup and, by extension, the woman herself, who is to blame (terrible, evil women!). You were just drunk and horny. Next time go to Wetherspoons instead of a bar, the lighting is much harsher.

[MegaClutterSlut]

Yanbu there are plenty of videos on YouTube where the girls wear heavy make up, then remove it. They look totally different wishes I could do make up that good

[OnwardsAndSideways1]

I don't think it's 'catfishing', people who come round my house when I'm in PJs and no make up won't be puzzled at who has answered the door and wonder where my glamorous self has gone.

It is a form of camouflage, a way of making yourself look socially desirable (to many, not all). I wear make-up for events, work, but not so much socially or at home or round the supermarket.

It's a bit silly that when women, especially celebrities, don't wear make-up, they are derided and called ugly. Expectations of what women naturally look like are completely out of whack with a combination of heavy make-up and photo filters. Even those celebs like the Kardashians don't look like themselves!

It is corrosive. I'd love to wear no make-up and feel very confident, I'm pretty sure that one reason I have an easier time in life, and feel more confident in myself, is that I look conventionally attractive in my make-up. Sad but true.

[DrSbaitso]

[quote JesusIsAnyNameFree]@DrSbaitso

It is not like saying that at all. They are not the same thing. Just give up with that one because it's just getting silly.

Because photoshopping your nose to look slimmer, your eyes to be bigger, breasts to be more pushed together and figure to be perfectly shaped and smooth rather than bumpy as it is for your Tinder profile, isn't that different to caking on makeup until you have killer cheekbones that are non-existent, a differently shaped nose, bigger eyes, and the huge pouty lips of Kylie flipping Jenner for your Tinder profile.[/quote]
Look, are you talking about makeup or digital alteration? It keeps changing depending on which of your arguments is getting torn asunder currently.

Anyway, see the post I just made. Plus, even if this person did look exactly like their pics, you could meet them and find out that they vote Trump or like pineapple on pizza or are too slow to realise that purple eyelids aren't real. First dates are a crap shoot and you're not going to meet your true love on all of them for any number of reasons. Sorry.

[JesusIsAnyNameFree]

@DrSbaitso

I wouldn't want a second date with a halfwit who didn't understand that the purple on my eyelids wasn't real. Someone who knows that little about the female body is unlikely to have given me such a good time in bed that I'd miss the twit.

@DrSbaitso

I think you've lost touch with the young ones to be honest.

[Quaagars]

I never wear make up, but I think you are being ridiculous, sorry and voted YABU.
Wolf whistles or catcalls or whatever will happen whether you have a face full of make up or not, and you're still yourself whether you are bare faced or not.
Saying that make up is a sort of catfishing is like implying that it's your "better self" and putting on a fake persona for others when it's usually just people doing it for themselves as they like to do it!

[DrSbaitso]

I think you've lost touch with the young ones to be honest.

If kids today don't realise that eyelids are not naturally purple, it's probably for the best that they don't get to the stage of procreation with each other.

[Quaagars]

It's like, is dyeing your hair catfishing? What about shapewear? Botox?

Exactly, where does it end?!

-stuffs Bridget Jones pants back in the drawer>

[Quaagars]

Of course they can wear whatever makeup they want. But don't cry about it when the guy sees you the next morning and doesn't call for another date

I think anyone finding themselves in that situation would just thank their lucky stars the knobber they had a date with showed his true colours early and runs away fast lol

[JesusIsAnyNameFree]

@DrSbaitso

Haha, torn asunder indeed.
It's not my fault you can't see how they're very, very similar things.
And no, your bleeding purple eyelids are not what is being discussed here. They never were.

I had an argument with our toddler today about why he had to eat vegetables and I actually walked away from that thinking it was a pretty good discussion where, while he won't be winning this battle, he had made a bit of sense. This is more like banging my head against a wall repeatedly, so I shan't continue with it.

[CaesarsDream]

Setting unrealistic standards of beauty (upkeep of fake lashes and practising contouring, etc) and sending a message to girls that they can look brighter prettier with makeup on is one of the most misogynist things I've read on MN to date.

[DrSbaitso]

[quote JesusIsAnyNameFree]@DrSbaitso

Haha, torn asunder indeed.
It's not my fault you can't see how they're very, very similar things.
And no, your bleeding purple eyelids are not what is being discussed here. They never were.

I had an argument with our toddler today about why he had to eat vegetables and I actually walked away from that thinking it was a pretty good discussion where, while he won't be winning this battle, he had made a bit of sense. This is more like banging my head against a wall repeatedly, so I shan't continue with it.[/quote]
Makeup, which is what we were actually discussing and the subject of my posts before you tried to change the subject, is not at all similar to actual digital manipulation to change the very structure and layout of your face. But once again, women en masse do not have that level of skill anyway. You'd need to be very proficient with Photoshop to do much more than apply a filter or two. And if you really did morph your image into something completely unrecognisable as yourself, your date will realise straight away. Or maybe not, since they will apparently walk right past you since they won't have a clue who you are and will think they've been stood up rather than catfished, right?

Oh, and "indeed" isn't a rebuttal. Honestly. Ask your toddler.

[whenthebellsring]

I don’t wear makeup, but still look like shit first thing and ‘improve’ in looks when I’ve freshened up and have been awake a while
I like to grow some stubble, and get a good fresh shaved feeling after a few days worth of stubble. ‘Going out’ I’ll wear slightly better clothes, shave and dare I say it - make myself smell better with at least antiperspirant. For a date I’ll make more effort and try to give the best impression of me

‘Lies’ everywhere !!!

The thing is: A woman can and does still look tidy, fresh, nicely groomed and like she "made an effort" without a lick of makeup, you know - just like a man can. I'd know, I do it most days and often go for months on end without makeup. Have gone for years even.

Makeup is fine for anyone who chooses it but I don't think it should be expected or used as a crutch - that's how some psychological issues either start or remain untreated.

[cookiecreampie]

@CaesarsDream

Setting unrealistic standards of beauty (upkeep of fake lashes and practising contouring, etc) and sending a message to girls that they can look brighter prettier with makeup on is one of the most misogynist things I've read on MN to date.

But it's true. Most women do look better with make up if it's done right. That's the whole point of it. No one cares if you don't want to wear it, but other women do and that's none of your business. Kim Kardashian is naturally beautiful without make up, so that's a crap example you've used there

[RootyT00t]

@CaesarsDream

Setting unrealistic standards of beauty (upkeep of fake lashes and practising contouring, etc) and sending a message to girls that they can look brighter prettier with makeup on is one of the most misogynist things I've read on MN to date.

Girls in make up making them look nice shocker.

Misognystic