If you're still sticking to ALL the rules/guidance - why?

[RaspberryCoulis]

Will start by saying I am not sticking to the covid rules any more. Obviously I can't go places which aren't open. But we have had people in the house, kids are going out with friends probably in larger numbers than are permitted, we're crossing local authority boundaries which is supposedly illegal in Scotland. Why? Because we've been in lockdown for a year, cases here are very low, and some things are more important than Covid.

But on every thread there are people claiming that they are sticking rigidly to every single rule and guideline, never breaking ANY rule. They would probably say I was a selfish covid-denier who was hellbent on murdering their granny.

So if you're sticking to all the guidelines and rules, without fail - why? People who are clinically extremely vulnerable (officially) I can understand in part if they're not vaccinated. But the rest of you? Is it because you're scared of Covid, or scared of your neighbours, or scared of breaking the law by mistake?

Where I live 9 people were infected as a result of gathering for Mothers day. 2 have gone into hospital.
Also I am a former contact tracer, I have seen so many clusters as a result of mixing households.

SidSparrow
You're ticking the boxes nicely.
Faux naivety by claiming not to know what a conspiracy theorist is
You're skeptical, but everyone else is gullible.
Pushing a declaration that's in favour of removing protective measures in order to adopt a herd immunity strategy
Referring to a declaration that was found to have fake names in it such as 'Johnny Bananas'.
Same declaration of (as you put it) 'experts', also includes homeopaths

The problem with conspiracy theorists is they see everything through their lens of being part of a small elite of free thinkers that are up against at big mean establishment and the gullible sheeple who gobble up what they're told.

We just listen to SAGE who use models that get it wrong every time?
Actually looking back at previous SAGE reports it is scary how often they get it right.

@LolaSmiles

The problem with conspiracy theorists is they see everything through their lens of being part of a small elite of free thinkers that are up against at big mean establishment and the gullible sheeple who gobble up what they're told.*

Do they? That's interesting. I'd agree with that. And from that can safely say I am not a conspriacy theorist.

However, you yourself sound pretty close minded and self-righteous. Nothing worse.

Not read the whole thread, just @RaspberryCoulis posts, which appear to have stopped some pages back.
It really is difficult to argue/reason with stupid 🤷‍♀️
So, obviously, OP, no it probably doesn’t make THAT much difference if you and your DH travel for a walk/entertain in the home etc. However, if we all behave as carelessly and selfishly, then it is a big problem. Surely that’s not that hard to grasp?

[quote SidSparrow]@LolaSmiles

And what about the what about the experts who don't agree with lockdowns? You know, the ones not listened to by the governement or mainstream media because they don't fit the lockdown narrative? We just listen to SAGE who use models that get it wrong every time? The advisors who have conflicts of interests with the vaccine companies... Hmmm[/quote]
Are you ok with breaking the law generally or just in this case?

It’s interesting that the op left out the illegal part of behaviour when describing herself as law abiding.

@MarshaBradyo

Are you ok with breaking the law generally or just in this case?

Just in this case.

At least you you don’t say you’re law abiding.

As much as people don’t believe in SAGE the fact that the vast majority are complying means people like you and op benefit too. But we are not benefited by your behaviour, the opposite, which can have very bad outcomes for some.

I don't know about the struck off doctors, but there are 40,000 medical practioners on the great barrington declaration, and about 13 and a half thousand medical and public health scientists on there as well, doubt they're all fake and I doubt they're all struck off
The GBD is ridiculous as it doesn't explain how "focused protection" would work in practice.

As a family, we are sticking to it as best we can. No-one has been on our property this year, except a plumber.

It HAS OCCURRED to me that I could get away with breaking them. I do have enough imagination to see how a school friend around for a play could be justified. I do believe my family’s mental health could be better supported by close contact with others. We’re not mindless zombies unthinkingly following the government advice. If we can just all keep battling as best we can, it can only be helpful.

@MarshaBradyo

I'm actually not benefitting from you following the rules, because lockdown is what's affecting me. What you do is your business and what I do, should be mine. I have been pretty good about following the rules, but this last while, after vaccine roll out and numbers being really low (I'm in Scotland) I'm pretty over the government overreach, and therefore, starting to see people.

@MarshaBradyo yet those that are breaking the rules will never consider that they’re actively harming their communities. They’re usually people that are lacking in intelligence who can’t grasp the larger implications of their behaviour, they should be pitied instead of scorned. A lack of intelligence is something to be sad about

[quote SidSparrow]@MarshaBradyo

I'm actually not benefitting from you following the rules, because lockdown is what's affecting me. What you do is your business and what I do, should be mine. I have been pretty good about following the rules, but this last while, after vaccine roll out and numbers being really low (I'm in Scotland) I'm pretty over the government overreach, and therefore, starting to see people.[/quote]
Yes you have. Not just my actions but everyone who is complying.

We would be in a different position if everyone said sod it

I'm actually not benefitting from you following the rules, because lockdown is what's affecting me.

But the less people follow the rules, the more likely it is that we'll be in lockdown for longer!!

@StarCat2020

The GBD is ridiculous as it doesn't explain how "focused protection" would work in practice.

I agree it's not perfect. But I do believe that we could have focussed our efforts on protecting those who are vulberable. I know a couple of people who are vulnerable and they have pretty much self-isolated the whole time. I feel that we could have supported them better - testing carers for them. Rather than everyone being locked up. The fact remains that 99.odd% of people are not affected by this, so I really feel that we should have concentrated our efforts on the vulnerable. Herd immunity was and still is quite a viable option.

I am and everyone I know is as we went this to end ASAP. You the only person ive heard say they aren't. I know my neighbours and friends are. Everyone very careful so life can return. Stop ruining it op

@StarCat2020

We just listen to SAGE who use models that get it wrong every time? Actually looking back at previous SAGE reports it is scary how often they get it right.

They haven't though have they? They've always vastly over estimated.

@AlexaShutUp

The only thing keeping you in lockdown is the government.

The vulnerable are vaccinated!! You should be demanding your freedoms back.

I agree it's not perfect. But I do believe that we could have focussed our efforts on protecting those who are vulberable. I know a couple of people who are vulnerable and they have pretty much self-isolated the whole time. I feel that we could have supported them better - testing carers for them. Rather than everyone being locked up. The fact remains that 99.odd% of people are not affected by this, so I really feel that we should have concentrated our efforts on the vulnerable. Herd immunity was and still is quite a viable option
No

The people I know who where hospitalised where previously fit and healthy.

The people I know who are suffering long term after effects where previously fit and healthy.

If we had just tried to segregate society even further than it already is then I strongly believe even more previously healthy people would have caught and really suffered with covid.

I'm law abiding too. Never arrested, never had so much as a speeding ticket

No you're not. You've clearly stated the laws you've broken. Just because you think you can justify doing it does not mean you've not broken the law.

Why do you feel laws don't apply to yourself?

They haven't though have they? They've always vastly over estimated
Have you looked at any of the SAGE documentation at all?

Because I'm a team player and just want this thing behind us, for everyone's sake.

@StarCat2020

They haven't though have they? They've always vastly over estimated Have you looked at any of the SAGE documentation at all?

Yes, much of it was an over estimation.

@AvonCallingBarksdale

Not read the whole thread, just *@RaspberryCoulis* posts, which appear to have stopped some pages back. It really is difficult to argue/reason with stupid 🤷‍♀️ So, obviously, OP, no it probably doesn’t make THAT much difference if you and your DH travel for a walk/entertain in the home etc. However, if we all behave as carelessly and selfishly, then it is a big problem. Surely that’s not that hard to grasp?

Sorry, @AvonCallingBarksdale I didn't get the memo which said that whenever you post on MN you must be available to answer every single post for the next 24 hours at least. How very lax of me.

And besides, what's the point of replying to a long list of posters piling in to question your intelligence? "Your (sic) thick". "No I'm not, actually". "You're stupid". "Wrong again". "You're a conspiracy theorist, covid denier, government bot". "No, no and no".