If you're still sticking to ALL the rules/guidance - why?

[RaspberryCoulis]

Will start by saying I am not sticking to the covid rules any more. Obviously I can't go places which aren't open. But we have had people in the house, kids are going out with friends probably in larger numbers than are permitted, we're crossing local authority boundaries which is supposedly illegal in Scotland. Why? Because we've been in lockdown for a year, cases here are very low, and some things are more important than Covid.

But on every thread there are people claiming that they are sticking rigidly to every single rule and guideline, never breaking ANY rule. They would probably say I was a selfish covid-denier who was hellbent on murdering their granny.

So if you're sticking to all the guidelines and rules, without fail - why? People who are clinically extremely vulnerable (officially) I can understand in part if they're not vaccinated. But the rest of you? Is it because you're scared of Covid, or scared of your neighbours, or scared of breaking the law by mistake?

Because it's our duty. I believe we have a duty to our community except where to follow the rules causes harm.

We broke to rules to fetch our university student child when he was in distress. Other than that, we've stuck to it. We've lost people to covid, and to ignore restrictions that would reduce the spread seems disrespectful to the many families who've been bereaved.

I'm community minded. There rules are there for us to help eachother, not decide which ones suited us best.

YABU- I'm sticking to the rules Because I'm in CEV group and because I want to get out of this situation we are all in. I see the bigger picture so am prepared to make the sacrifice s being asked of us. I have had both Covid vaccines but still need to protect myself and others.

I'm starting to wonder why I've bothered to follow the rules.....,

Because the more that people mix, the more that the virus spreads. You're seeing people indoors, so massively increasing your chances of getting it. If everyone was doing that, we'd be in a right mess. I know everyone is fed up but we are weeks away from getting vaccinated so why not just hold on a bit longer rather than risking a huge spike and delaying coming out of lockdown just people like you think you can decide whether to follow the rules or not

The case rates we see reported now are realistically people who caught covid 2 weeks ago, maybe more. The numbers are going to lull people into a false sense of security.

If you or a loved one end up in hospital, or with long covid, will you regret not complying?

Because I realise that I can transmit it to others even if Im asymptomatic, and that could end up killing someone or at least making them seriously ill.

My desires to follow the rules is also driven by my concern that I will pass covid on. I'm a frontline NHS worker so haven't had the opportunity to be able to hide myself away. I've now had my second vaccination, and my mum will shortly have her second vaccination. Only when she's fully vaccinated would I be comfortable meeting with her inside.

Because I don't believe in forcing my decisions on other people.

I can risk assess my own stuff re covid based on my family but then I go to work, sit next to people with vulnerable family, see clients who have no choice etc.

The people we interact with don't always have a choice. For example my neighbour takes a similar (its okay because my family is okay type thing) interacts with multiple people eg shop keepers, health care workers (who all don't know about the house gatherings presumably) and sends her kid off into school after multiple covid breaches. That mum is only thinking of her kid not the multitude of people who she has taken that choice away from eg the kids in that class who are vulnerable, i know the TA in that class has a vulnerable husband undergoing chemo, who might choose to not interact with people who are higher risk.

Unless you've asked everyone you interact with who's risk level you then increase if they feel comfortable in interacting with you despite your risk status than YABU.

I would agree if the bubble is completely sealed but it always involves interacting with others who they've decided to make risk decisions on behalf of

Because it's the law, because I can, because I'd rather stay at home without seeing friends than see them and kill them or myself. Also because able and healthy people seem to think covid isn't a killer to anyone who matters and as I'm not an ableist twat like 'people' I'd happily stay inside for another year if it means those at risk are kept safe.

So many people use the excuse of their alleged mental health issues to break the law and it makes a mockery of people who are genuinely mentally unwell. 'But I'm an extrovert' seems to be the latest reason why people visit multiple homes and go out for non-essential journeys.

I've stuck to the law throughout. I've used my own judgement on the guidance throughout, thinking what is actually 'risky' behaviour.
I don't want this situation to drag on longer than it has to and I don't want to put my family through unnecessary self-isolations. So having to self isolate through school is unavoidable but having to self isolate through socialising isn't so I don't socialise.

CEV person in household.

Depressingly low figure for proportion of those with that co-morbidity who actuallymdorm a response to the jab, so cannot rely on it.

Other teens cannot be vaccinated until Govt reinstates immediate household of CEV into priority 6 (where originally allocated by JCVI/MRHA in November draft, but paused awaiting evidence of sufficient effect on transmission)

So social distancing will remain in place for us, with a hope that not too many people will pre-empt the actual dates for loosening restrictions. Because we'd like a bit of contact back idc as well, so rates have to be really low.

Well apart from it being the law ,my parents are both CEV ,as is my DH ,I have a severely disabled Child ,who needs me and his Dad to be around for a long time ,I have had my first vaccine ,but it's not just about me .

It’s tears like you who have caused the increase in Scotland over the past week! Get that into your head, I don’t like it either but if we have be any good of getting back to normal this year then stick to the rules. If lockdown in Scotland gets extended I will hold fuckwits like you responsible.

@CatsHairEverywhere2

I’m neither scared of Covid, my neighbours not the police. I simply have no wish to pass on a virus that may kill someone. I’ve got that wee voice in my head that reminds me the world doesn’t revolve around me and my wants.

But you can only pass it on if you have it. Obviously. The neighbourhood data tells me that nobody in my area, or the next area, or in fact most of my Council Area has reported a case for a week. So cases are exceptionally low and given that, I'm unlikely to have it and be unaware of it.

I'm not having parties with loads of people in the house. But having two friends into the house for dinner, both of whom have had Covid and one of whom has had a vaccine too, isn't risky.

I also believe that despite what the vocal crowd on MN say, most people are stretching the rules with their definitions of childcare, or bubbles, or caring duties or whatever.

Your post sounds immature. It reminds me of the bully in the playground who tried to force me to do something because it was "hard" and "cool".

I'm following the rules for most of the reasons already outlined. I'd also lose my job with a criminal record.

Because I'm not an arsehole.

It's the right thing to do. It's not hard.

@BashfulClam

It’s tears like you who have caused the increase in Scotland over the past week! Get that into your head, I don’t like it either but if we have be any good of getting back to normal this year then stick to the rules. If lockdown in Scotland gets extended I will hold fuckwits like you responsible.

No, it's the resumption of normal life with schools going back and public transport being busier which is causing a levelling off in all parts of the UK. As well as things like outbreaks in prisons.

Good to see that the blame game is alive and kicking though.

Wow you are selfish.

This virus has really shown the worst in people , as well as the best.

The former applies to you.

@Barcodes

Because I don't believe in forcing my decisions on other people.

I can risk assess my own stuff re covid based on my family but then I go to work, sit next to people with vulnerable family, see clients who have no choice etc.

The people we interact with don't always have a choice. For example my neighbour takes a similar (its okay because my family is okay type thing) interacts with multiple people eg shop keepers, health care workers (who all don't know about the house gatherings presumably) and sends her kid off into school after multiple covid breaches. That mum is only thinking of her kid not the multitude of people who she has taken that choice away from eg the kids in that class who are vulnerable, i know the TA in that class has a vulnerable husband undergoing chemo, who might choose to not interact with people who are higher risk.

Unless you've asked everyone you interact with who's risk level you then increase if they feel comfortable in interacting with you despite your risk status than YABU.

I would agree if the bubble is completely sealed but it always involves interacting with others who they've decided to make risk decisions on behalf of

I've seen plenty of posts on MN from teachers who listen to their students talking about how they went round to their aunties house / had a sleepover at the weekend. So those teachers have to live with the stress of knowing that their students are not following the rules which in turn increases the teachers risk of catching covid. It's not just about you.

@RaspberryCoulis

I understand that you've risk assessed it based on your factors

But I'm sure that out of the 3 of you that you are coming across multiple people who have vulnerable people in their house holds who have no choice but to interact with you.

You take away that choice from them

OP I wish you were my friend

Yes, but only because I'm in my element being hold up at home. Part of me is not looking forward to going back to work in a couple of weeks as I think I've forgotten how to speak to people.

I trust the people who made specific rules to know a hell of a lot more about the virus and its transmission than little old me. I can't in good conscience "sod it all, I'll mix with whoever I want to mix with and go wherever I want to go" as I am not a scientist, nor virologist, nowhere near an expert in this field. I don't want to make my own rules, I actually try my best to contribute to keeping the numbers low rather than increasing it because you know "no Boris will tell me what I can and can't do."

We have both had the jabs and our parents have too so we are seeing them.Ds isn't seeing friends and we aren't travelling so half and half really