If you're still sticking to ALL the rules/guidance - why?

[RaspberryCoulis]

Will start by saying I am not sticking to the covid rules any more. Obviously I can't go places which aren't open. But we have had people in the house, kids are going out with friends probably in larger numbers than are permitted, we're crossing local authority boundaries which is supposedly illegal in Scotland. Why? Because we've been in lockdown for a year, cases here are very low, and some things are more important than Covid.

But on every thread there are people claiming that they are sticking rigidly to every single rule and guideline, never breaking ANY rule. They would probably say I was a selfish covid-denier who was hellbent on murdering their granny.

So if you're sticking to all the guidelines and rules, without fail - why? People who are clinically extremely vulnerable (officially) I can understand in part if they're not vaccinated. But the rest of you? Is it because you're scared of Covid, or scared of your neighbours, or scared of breaking the law by mistake?

We are not right behind Europe with their next wave. They are battling the Kent strain predominantly... which is the reason why we had the last lockdown.

@Blueeyedgirl21

Isn’t long covid just post viral fatigue syndrome basically ?? People have been getting that, kids included,’for years, remember teens at school being off for months with glandular fever, no one really gave a shit 🙈

Don’t think so. Some people have heart damage, impaired kidney function, developed diabetes, neurological issues.

Why? Because like everyone else, I don't want this to carry on for years. The only way to do that is to stop the spread. To stop the spread is to abide by the rules set out to do that. Simple really. I don't know how anyone wouldn't realise that and why you'd even need it spelling out. Obviously there seems there are still people out there who either don't get it or just don't give a shit.

@CovidCorvid I know people that have developed those sort of things after long term treatment/ICU or HDU stays. Not sure about the actual amount of people who had mild ‘stay at home and take paracetamol’ covid who have actual confirmed diabetes or neurological illness as a direct result??

Diabetes and hashimotos can be developed after many random viral illnesses also, not just covid. There’s a school of thought that T1 diabetes is a result of viral illness in a lot of people

Yep...I developed T1 diabetes after a viral infection some years ago...and I’ve had to work throughout this lockdown, even though I’m clinically vulnerable...pusses me off when people wfh decide, after being able to stay safe, get bored and stop bothering 😡

Pisses!!

@Blacktothepink my sister did too , and it is so annoying when people say ‘oh you must have eaten too much sugar !!’ ... errr NO. It’s actually a little known thing that that can happen , at random. Anyway off topic!

Yep...it’s an autoimmune condition and as you know from your sister, has a massive impact on your life. And then pandemic and death rates amongst T1’s high and yet people fuck about taking liberties...lucky them that don’t live with a life long chronic condition...😡

Isn’t long covid just post viral fatigue syndrome basically ?? People have been getting that, kids included,’for years, remember teens at school being off for months with glandular fever, no one really gave a shit 🙈
Diabetes and hashimotos can be developed after many random viral illnesses also, not just covid. There’s a school of thought that T1 diabetes is a result of viral illness in a lot of people

Yes, there are multiple conditions where viral illnesses are currently thought to play a role, at least in some people. No one's thinking that it's "just covid" that does this, it's a known potential consequences of viruses, it's that on-going issues after COVID-19 are called Long COVID because the term caught on from people describing those with on-going health issues as 'long haulers' which morphed into Long COVID and it became an easy way for researchers and the wider community to communicate and support people as it's pretty rare to have this many people with such a clear link between a viral infection and an on-going condition afterwards, even if the mechanics of what causes those symptoms isn't entirely clear. Many people with viral-linked conditions take years to diagnose and won't have this sort of clear link.

A few months old, but still a decent summary of how Long COVID is used and why it's valuable to scientists and the communities even though it likely has multiple causes including direct damage from the virus, immune response damage, opportunistic bacterial infections, post-viral and post-sepsis symptoms, issues caused by hospitalization, and likely more yet unknown.

So no, it isn't "just" post viral fatigue syndrome and other conditions having a potential viral link doesn't change anything to do with Long COVID. Post-viral conditions are often overlooked and people often don't give a shit, but we counter that in part by discussing how much they matter and impact those dealing with them and by giving different types their own recognition and name.

Isn’t long covid just post viral fatigue syndrome basically ??

Given the government are now funding lots of research into long covid, I don't think it is 'just' anything.

People are determined to minimise it, but doctors and health experts are taking it pretty seriously.

I think a lot of people are determined to minimise it because it doesn’t fit with the narrative they want to hold onto, that Covid is only a risk to the elderly and those who are clinically vulnerable. They’re fond of claiming that young and healthy people will barely know they have had it. It’s because they don’t want to follow the lockdown rules (and some don’t want the vaccine either).

Long Covid does affect those who are young and healthy, as you’ll see if you have a look at the Long Covid thread on the Coronavirus thread. The risk of catching it means that they should be taking Covid more seriously than they want to.

The Government are funding research into it, because a sizeable number of sufferers are unlikely to be able to go back to their full-time jobs, or at least not full-time. This has the potential to have a significant effect on the economy if a significant number of people are unable to work.

But the double whammy is T1 diabetics are at great risk from covid due to the viral load making their blood sugars and ensuing ketones life threatening, on top of fighting covid, plus their autoimmune response to it...and still many of us weren’t given fucking shielding letters...😡

@Megan2018

Because I’m not a selfish twat. The rules are easy to follow and no big deal. It’s just a tiny bit of life to be mildly inconvenienced for the good of society.

Regardless on whether following the rules should be done or not, the rules are easy to follow to YOU, It’s no big deal to YOU, and YOUR life is mildly inconvenienced.

People are crumbling, even some people who follow the rules are crumbling. Your breaking point may be so much further away than someone else’s.

This has never been about risk.

• People working from home isolating and then visiting also isolating people is not an issue
• People who are vaccinated and tested regularly are not an issue
• Going for a walk in a park 30 mins away or in the lake district not an issue.

I have no idea what this has been about apart from 'fairness'

If vulnerable people have to lock down then so does everyone else. And now because non vaccinated people have to lock down - so does everyone else.

I think we all need to remember life isnt fair. This isnt going anywhere. All vulnerable people have been offered the vaccine.

This is it for me now. I am going to resume my life

Pink, Don't get me started on the Governments shocking handling of T1 Diabetics.

@Megan2018

Because I’m not a selfish twat. The rules are easy to follow and no big deal. It’s just a tiny bit of life to be mildly inconvenienced for the good of society.

Because this.

Having large amounts of circulating virus in a population that isn’t all vaccinated can result in virus mutations that could potentially evade the vaccine. We are not out of the woods yet.

Also there are developing 3rd waves in Europe. We are slowly coming out of this hell. I don’t want to have to go right back into it.

@RaspberryCoulis

I've not read much of the thread, but seen that the poll said 70% you're being unreasonable. So I just want to say to you, good on you!! I too am breaking the rules, most people I know are also breaking the rules. Nothing extreme but we have been visiting and are having visitors. I'm not sitting about having the government tell me and my family we can't see each other, having my children starved of the company of other children. We did our bit, but for me the pandemic is well and truly over. It's time to live with covid. The lockdowns do far more harm than covid. So it's time people learned to accept risk and start living again. And I am not waiting on the government to tell me that. History tells us that governments rarely relinquish power. That's a far more scary prospect than covid.

Rule following here because I want life to get back to normal and I understand that those who have spent their lives researching infectious diseases probably know more about how to get us back to normal than me.

It find myself amazed at the arrogance of people who probably have nothing more than a GCSE in science thinking that their 'research' makes them equally qualified as the world's scientific community.

It find myself amazed at the arrogance of people who probably have nothing more than a GCSE in science thinking that their 'research' makes them equally qualified as the world's scientific community.

Yeah I've noticed this. Noticed people who have zero education at all who think all of this is a hoax and that the government just wants to spy on us. There's also a not surprising link between these thoughts and people who smoke weed. Yes, I'm going to trust dave down the road who couldn't make it through high school and his house stinks of weed over an educated scientist.

@LolaSmiles

And what about the what about the experts who don't agree with lockdowns? You know, the ones not listened to by the governement or mainstream media because they don't fit the lockdown narrative? We just listen to SAGE who use models that get it wrong every time? The advisors who have conflicts of interests with the vaccine companies... Hmmm

And what about the what about the experts who don't agree with lockdowns? You know, the ones not listened to by the governement or mainstream media because they don't fit the lockdown narrative? We just listen to SAGE who use models that get it wrong every time? The advisors who have conflicts of interests with the vaccine companies... Hmmm
You mean the doctors and HCP on YouTube videos that have actually been struck off? Those experts?

I've seen your posts on several threads and it's clear you're a conspiracy theorist, which means that anything anyone says to you will probably be met with 'but the mainstream media don't want you to know that' / 'they would say that wouldn't they'.

It must be fun feeling like you're more enlightened than all the sheeple though.

ClarkeGriffin
You're right. I also like the claims that when people find the conspiracy theories funny, said conspiracy theorists say things like "nobody wants to criticise the government, the mainstream media won't criticse the government". It makes me laugh because there's been criticism of government throughout the pandemic. It's like some people have glasses on where everything is viewed through the conspiracy lens, to the point of denying reality.

Because I'm not a selfish knob and actually want to get this virus under control to get some normality back in the near future! If everyone had the original posters attitude we will forever have some restrictions 🤷‍♀️.

@LolaSmiles

And what is a conspiracy theorist? I actually don't know what I believe, but I do know I'm skeptical and that I don't gobble up all what I'm told. If that makes me a conspiracy theorist then that's fine - rather be that than gullable.

I don't know about the struck off doctors, but there are 40,000 medical practioners on the great barrington declaration, and about 13 and a half thousand medical and public health scientists on there as well, doubt they're all fake and I doubt they're all struck off.