If you're still sticking to ALL the rules/guidance - why?

[RaspberryCoulis]

Will start by saying I am not sticking to the covid rules any more. Obviously I can't go places which aren't open. But we have had people in the house, kids are going out with friends probably in larger numbers than are permitted, we're crossing local authority boundaries which is supposedly illegal in Scotland. Why? Because we've been in lockdown for a year, cases here are very low, and some things are more important than Covid.

But on every thread there are people claiming that they are sticking rigidly to every single rule and guideline, never breaking ANY rule. They would probably say I was a selfish covid-denier who was hellbent on murdering their granny.

So if you're sticking to all the guidelines and rules, without fail - why? People who are clinically extremely vulnerable (officially) I can understand in part if they're not vaccinated. But the rest of you? Is it because you're scared of Covid, or scared of your neighbours, or scared of breaking the law by mistake?

Errr. Because I want to see my family overseas before they start dying off, maybe. The longer this lasts, the less likely it becomes.
So to all the rules breakers out there F* Y**!!!!

Say you had a heart attack because of loneliness - you take up a bed in hospital. You die and leave your family

Loneliness causes heart attacks?

Can you post links to the research that demonstrates that please.

@MarshaBradyo

If it did all the people protesting would have been ill or dead. Same with the people attending the sarah everard vigil.

The poster said ‘risk spreading the virus’. Not sure how you got to dead.

Oh, silly me, I thought some people had died of this virus. I’m obviously mistaken

@Onedaysomedaynowadays

Because I don't trust my neighbours not to grass me up

I think this will be behind a lot of compliance.

I don’t care any more

Dowser

All the ravers? Have they died a death?

Do you think that all dying a death is what was at stake?

Read about asymptomatic transmission.

@skirk64

I have followed the law because it has been easy to. Simple as that really. It hasn't required proactive effort - just don't go out, don't meet people, it's pretty simple. I don't understand how anyone can't comply with this - you don't have to do anything.

The rule I have considered breaking - but didn't - is the masks in shop rule. I could arguably claim my asthma prevents me wearing a mask. Thing, I can manage it for about ten minutes before it gets too bad, so I have to rush round and get shopping done within that time. I hate wearing a mask. But, so far, I've complied with that rule too.

Don’t go out, don’t meet people. Easy.😂😂😂 I’ll tell that to my son then. Don’t go into peoples homes son. Do t feed them, Don’t bathe them, don’t wipe their shitty arses. The ones who are covid positive? Oh don’t see to them to either. They definitely need to be left to rot. Cant risk you taking that back to your wife and three kids can you?

Don’t worry son, the government will put food in your mouths, clothes on your back , pay your bills.

Not!

Where have you been for a year smirk
It doesn’t work like that.

@MarshaBradyo

Dowser

All the ravers? Have they died a death?

Do you think that all dying a death is what was at stake?

Read about asymptomatic transmission.

Well isn’t that what everyone has been trying to avoid for a year Dying from covid. Gawd , what’s going on this morning? I feel like I’ve wandered into a parallel universe or a special kind of stoopid 😂

Dowser yes it’s hard to have a conversation as you’re low on even the basics.

I don’t know where to start. Do you listen to Whitty or JVT? They speak in a very plain easy to understand way.

Loneliness linked to early death www.cdc.gov/aging/publications/features/lonely-older-adults.html

You don’t need to break the rules. The politicians have left enough loopholes that, other than going to closed venues, there’s pretty much a work around for everything. If they are our leaders then we should look to their behaviours for guidance.

If you truly believe the rules are there to keep you safe, that’s great. Crack on.

The media’s job has not been to inform you, it’s been to keep you scared and compliant. This is not some great secret. The government have been quite open about this policy.

@ThePlantsitter

Because it's the law and I'm pretty law abiding.

I know it's fashionable to 'use your own judgement' on topics you know fuck all about but I actually prefer to be told what to do when I can't be arsed to do all the scientific research myself (because that would require years of scientific training anyway).

This really is the reason. I’m so sick of people who’ve ‘done their own research’ or ‘done their own risk assessment’. How? Unless you’re scientist with a background in virology or a public health expert it’s so deeply arrogant to think that reading a few articles or watching a few videos means people know better. Its not really about your personal risk, the picture is so much bigger. It’s also the law whether you agree with it or not.

@MarshaBradyo

Dowser

All the ravers? Have they died a death?

Do you think that all dying a death is what was at stake?

Read about asymptomatic transmission.

wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4576_article

In this cluster of COVID-19 cases, little to no transmission occurred from asymptomatic case-patients. Presymptomatic transmission was more frequent than symptomatic transmission. The serial interval was short; very short intervals occurred.

The fact that we did not detect any laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 transmission from asymptomatic case-patients is in line with multiple studies (9–11). However, Oran et al. have speculated that asymptomatic cases contribute to the rapid progression of the pandemic (12). Some studies may be prone to misclassify presymptomatic cases as asymptomatic, leading to heterogeneous reporting of SAR of asymptomatic cases, because of different case definitions or differential duration of follow-up. In our study we used a very sensitive case definition for symptomatic cases that did not require specific symptoms (e.g. fever) to be present. Also, timing of our study would have enabled detection of late onset of symptoms, which gives us confidence in our classification of exposure groups.

Kellehi how much is that used as the basis for the approach in U.K.? And many other countries

@MarshaBradyo

Dowser yes it’s hard to have a conversation as you’re low on even the basics.

I don’t know where to start. Do you listen to Whitty or JVT? They speak in a very plain easy to understand way.

Actually no I don’t listen to whitby or JVT Or any news programmes, no tv either Why? Because it’s all lies and propaganda, doom and fear mongering. It’s probably why my mental health is still fairly robust That and living a normal life as much as possible of course.

Honestly you all should try it.
It’ll do wonders for you

@Worldgonecrazy

Loneliness linked to early death www.cdc.gov/aging/publications/features/lonely-older-adults.html

You don’t need to break the rules. The politicians have left enough loopholes that, other than going to closed venues, there’s pretty much a work around for everything. If they are our leaders then we should look to their behaviours for guidance.

If you truly believe the rules are there to keep you safe, that’s great. Crack on.

The media’s job has not been to inform you, it’s been to keep you scared and compliant. This is not some great secret. The government have been quite open about this policy.

Exactly..you’ve got it.

Dowser I’m not surprised. That’s why you have some out there ideas about all people dying.

No it wouldn’t as what I want is businesses open, sectors functioning, schools back (tg they are) and o/s travel. People might be ok with mixing on their estate or whatever but I’d like to move on.

It would be nice to just ignore the Dowsers of this world, and stick my fingers in my ears and sing, 'lalala I'm alright Jack, I follow my own rules, me' (as Dowser themself proudly does)....but it's frustrating because people acting in a way that can encourage the spread of the virus, and put people at risk, and make it difficult for ds to get back to school etc....well I can't just ignore that.

@MarshaBradyo

Dowser I’m not surprised. That’s why you have some out there ideas about all people dying.

No it wouldn’t as what I want is businesses open, sectors functioning, schools back (tg they are) and o/s travel. People might be ok with mixing on their estate or whatever but I’d like to move on.

Me too Does that mean we are actually on the same side then 😂

Dowser nearly

But slight departing over whether majority compliance would get us there sooner.

@HazeyJaneII

It would be nice to just ignore the Dowsers of this world, and stick my fingers in my ears and sing, 'lalala I'm alright Jack, I follow my own rules, me' (as Dowser themself proudly does)....but it's frustrating because people acting in a way that can encourage the spread of the virus, and put people at risk, and make it difficult for ds to get back to school etc....well I can't just ignore that.

There you go, making assumptions about my life , when you know not a jot about me. If you choose to live in fear. That’s your choice. It’s not mine. It’s also not the choice of millions of others in the uk, who like me are making the most of a bad situation

I'm not making assumptions about your life Dowser, I'm basing what I've said on your posts throughout the thread? I'm not sure you have done the same.

@HazeyJaneII

It would be nice to just ignore the Dowsers of this world, and stick my fingers in my ears and sing, 'lalala I'm alright Jack, I follow my own rules, me' (as Dowser themself proudly does)....but it's frustrating because people acting in a way that can encourage the spread of the virus, and put people at risk, and make it difficult for ds to get back to school etc....well I can't just ignore that.

I find it hard too. I do think the conspiracy theorists are in a minority, but they’re a loud minority because they’re preoccupied. I find that ignoring them where possible is better than trying to engage with them because they don’t actually engage: they just keep throwing misinformation and baseless assertions into the discussion. The people who are simply selfish at least know they’re wrong and are styling it out.

@MarshaBradyo

Dowser nearly

But slight departing over whether majority compliance would get us there sooner.

But we have complied. This is what I don’t get. Never since the war ended , have we as a nation given up so much. You only have to look at the traffic on the roads compared to this time last year. They were deserted .they are not like that now are they? They are practically back to what they were pre covid. It really annoys me when some people criticise others for not complying. Complying has been huge and yet we are still in a mess a year on. Economy tanked. People have lost so much . People have given so much. The children and the elderly have been chucked under a bus. The sick , terminally ill and those in care homes..again all let down. Yet all we do is fight amongst ourselves and the poiliticians get off scot free, In exercise Cygnus in 2016 , the report said that the nhs was woefully underfunded. That was over 4 years ago and it was never addressed.

The lockdown was to ease transmission so the nhs wasn’t overwhelmed.
This was achieved

So don’t tell me the nation hasn’t been compliant. It’s gone over and beyond.

Anyway, I’m off to see my dil and kids.
Haven’t seen them since new year.
So you all have a good day.
I know I shall 😁👍

Unless the ONS are providing misinformation then I think you are the one that is actually misinformed.

wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4576_article

In this cluster of COVID-19 cases, little to no transmission occurred from asymptomatic case-patients. Presymptomatic transmission was more frequent than symptomatic transmission. The serial interval was short; very short intervals occurred.

That link is from the US and discusses Covid in the US, not the UK.