If you're still sticking to ALL the rules/guidance - why?

[RaspberryCoulis]

Will start by saying I am not sticking to the covid rules any more. Obviously I can't go places which aren't open. But we have had people in the house, kids are going out with friends probably in larger numbers than are permitted, we're crossing local authority boundaries which is supposedly illegal in Scotland. Why? Because we've been in lockdown for a year, cases here are very low, and some things are more important than Covid.

But on every thread there are people claiming that they are sticking rigidly to every single rule and guideline, never breaking ANY rule. They would probably say I was a selfish covid-denier who was hellbent on murdering their granny.

So if you're sticking to all the guidelines and rules, without fail - why? People who are clinically extremely vulnerable (officially) I can understand in part if they're not vaccinated. But the rest of you? Is it because you're scared of Covid, or scared of your neighbours, or scared of breaking the law by mistake?

[quote SidSparrow]@StarCat2020

The GBD is ridiculous as it doesn't explain how "focused protection" would work in practice.

I agree it's not perfect. But I do believe that we could have focussed our efforts on protecting those who are vulberable. I know a couple of people who are vulnerable and they have pretty much self-isolated the whole time. I feel that we could have supported them better - testing carers for them. Rather than everyone being locked up. The fact remains that 99.odd% of people are not affected by this, so I really feel that we should have concentrated our efforts on the vulnerable. Herd immunity was and still is quite a viable option.[/quote]
I'd like to know how? Hospitals and care homes banned visitors. Staff were provided with PPE (though I suspect more to protect themselves rather than their patients). Yet covid deaths in care homes and hospitals seem to account for nearly half of the covid deaths. Nearly all the people I know who've had covid caught it in hospitals rather than a workplace or household setting.

@RaspberryCoulis not got time to read all the replies but just wanted you to know i stopped following the rules last may! 😊

Why? Because

asymptomatic spread has never been proven to even be an “actual thing” and didn’t exist before covid!

Life is too short and people are assuming tomorrow is promised! My dad has just been diagnosed with vascular dementia and so has approx 5 years left (only 65) so I’m making the most of the time I have left with him!

Many more reasons, too long to type! I would like to point out though that after the first lockdown In March 2020 the whole reason the country was let out in stages was to try and control the spread to a degree. At this point there were no talks of a vaccination and the theory then was that herd immunity would take over. The virus has as over a 99% survival rate and the average age of people that are dying of it is 82. Elderly and vulnerable are now vaccinated yet we’re being told even with the vaccine and masks you still need to social distance? Wake up!

I actually pity anyone that is still vigorously sticking to these “rules” this virus is here to stay! We’ve never managed to eradicate flu (well until 2020 ) nobody stopped living their life when we had a major flu outbreak in jan 2018 in fact a lot of people didn’t even know it happened.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5440785/amp/Killer-flu-outbreak-blame-42-spike-deaths.html

I believe it’s about choice and if you want to stay in and never leave your house then that’s entirely up to you however I have elderly family members that don’t want to, they want to enjoy the rest of their lives and not die having stayed in seeing nobody for the last year!

@StarCat2020

They haven't though have they? They've always vastly over estimated Have you looked at any of the SAGE documentation at all?

But, a lot of their predictions were “this is where we are headed. We need to lockdown to avoid that happening”.

Yes, much of it was an over estimation
It??

Which particular it are you referring to?

I'd feel more inclined to follow the rules religiously if they were the same for all parts of the UK. We're not a huge island, but very different restrictions and easing dates for England, Scotland and Wales.

The dates chosen for Scotland seem political rather than scientific and they really screwed over the teaching community with their everyone in before Easter but you must maintain social distancing nonsense.

If it's safe for me in England to holiday from 12th April, can't see why I've got to wait until 26th April in Scotland ( when Easter holidays are over) etc. etc. blanket policies throughout UK would make me more inclined to follow them.

But, a lot of their predictions were “this is where we are headed. We need to lockdown to avoid that happening”
Some were and some weren't.

Yes, but its always been "X amount of people will die" and they've always been wrong. These are the same people who want mask wearing and social distancing to continue for years... Why? Nobody knows because they don't explain they just send some nobody to speak to the press, say something provocative and provide no explanation.

Why would anyone trust them given their track record?

@StarCat2020

Yes, much of it was an over estimation It??

Which particular it are you referring to?

The big its. The number of deaths they expected to start with (miles off) and the other one where they said 4k deaths a day, also, miles off. They were the "famous" ones.

Nobody knows because they don't explain they just send some nobody to speak to the press, say something provocative and provide no explanation
It is all clearly published along with the reasoning.

@SidSparrow 👏👏👏

Well as per the government/ who websites we’re not actually in a pandemic anymore, which again not publicised. You only find the information if you go research It yourself and look in to it! I don’t rely on 5pm news falling in to my lap to tell me what I need to know!

@StarCat2020

Nobody knows because they don't explain they just send some nobody to speak to the press, say something provocative and provide no explanation It is all clearly published along with the reasoning.

That's irrelevant, they need to explain through the main stream press, if that is where they choose to make provocative announcements. That is literally their job.

I'd like to know how? Hospitals and care homes banned visitors
I would also like to know how the most vulnerable in society could have been protected.

I'm sticking to the rules because I'm a hospital doctor still treating patients with covid, who are still dying of covid, because of selfish, entitled people like the OP.

2 more covid patients died on my ward yesterday. They might still be alive if it weren't for people like you.

Hope you enjoyed your family get togethers

Pathetic.

You only find the information if you go research It yourself and look in to it!
Do share

Sorry, @AvonCallingBarksdale I didn't get the memo which said that whenever you post on MN you must be available to answer every single post for the next 24 hours at least. How very lax of me

Ok then, OP...

@StarCat2020

You only find the information if you go research It yourself and look in to it! Do share

You want others to share info, but when sage make statements everyone is apparently supposed to look up the explanation themselves. Righty ho then.

The only thing keeping you in lockdown is the government.

Well, yes, obviously it's a government decision. But it is based on what's happening in the country. The more people break the rules, the more the virus will be transmitted, and that will extend the period in which all of our lives are restricted. I don't actually think anyone is too stupid to understand this, so I assume that the people who choose to break the rules are just selfish - they don't really care how long the restrictions last for the rest of us because they will just carry on doing their own thing regardless.

The vulnerable are vaccinated!!

Very few people have had their second dose, so the vulnerable are not yet vaccinated. But it's pretty clear that you don't really give a toss about the vulnerable anyway, so this small detail probably won't bother you.

Well, yes, obviously it's a government decision. But it is based on what's happening in the country. The more people break the rules, the more the virus will be transmitted, and that will extend the period in which all of our lives are restricted. I don't actually think anyone is too stupid to understand this, so I assume that the people who choose to break the rules are just selfish - they don't really care how long the restrictions last for the rest of us because they will just carry on doing their own thing regardless.

Exactly

And this is why the UK had a year of lockdown.

@ScotsinOz

And this is why the UK had a year of lockdown.

Or you know..... Virus.

@LAgeDeRaisin

If we're complicit in those deaths then those still up for lockdowns are complicit in the rapidly declining mental health of the nation, the suffering of people, suicides, people losing their jobs, people being denied medical treatment, people too scared to come forward for treatment, the economic collapse. All of which will result in unnecessary deaths. Lockdown lovers are certainly complicit in all of that.

Tell me Doctor, did you want everyone locked up and masked up in 2018 when flu was rife?

As for those who are complaining that the predictions about how many people might die didn't actually materialise...what on earth do you think lockdown was for?!

Because we are in a pandemic and I’d quite like that to end with the minimal loss of further life as possible.

You sound like you would have put your lights on during the blitz because you’re so speshul 🙄

@ScotsinOz no this is not why the UK has had a year in lockdown. One of the major factors that prolonged lockdown was government refusal to do much about people coming in from abroad and not closing down until it was too late.

It also allowed foreign travel out during the summer without having a proper quarantine checking process in place.

I've followed majority of rules up to now. However I will let my teenage DS play football with his pals outdoors and see the odd friend who also wfh indoors now, also go see my octogenarian DPs even though it's not strictly a care visit.

Majority of infections taking place at work settings or in hospitals, doubt my tiny infractions will impact the numbers at all.

@AlexaShutUp

As for those who are complaining that the predictions about how many people might die didn't actually materialise...what on earth do you think lockdown was for?!

Yeah, that doesn't negate the fact their predictions were well off does it?