If you're still sticking to ALL the rules/guidance - why?

[RaspberryCoulis]

Will start by saying I am not sticking to the covid rules any more. Obviously I can't go places which aren't open. But we have had people in the house, kids are going out with friends probably in larger numbers than are permitted, we're crossing local authority boundaries which is supposedly illegal in Scotland. Why? Because we've been in lockdown for a year, cases here are very low, and some things are more important than Covid.

But on every thread there are people claiming that they are sticking rigidly to every single rule and guideline, never breaking ANY rule. They would probably say I was a selfish covid-denier who was hellbent on murdering their granny.

So if you're sticking to all the guidelines and rules, without fail - why? People who are clinically extremely vulnerable (officially) I can understand in part if they're not vaccinated. But the rest of you? Is it because you're scared of Covid, or scared of your neighbours, or scared of breaking the law by mistake?

@maturecheddar - put a sock in it please. Nothing like competitive point scoring. You're more popular, you have more friends etc etc. Makes me very angry actually. You have no idea of other people's lives, really.

[quote user1471539324]@kellehi you don’t understand risk management and it shows.

Risk management is based on staying below a tolerable level of risk. So the four nations may have different restrictions but in all likelihood will be aiming to have a similar overall risk. They have to draw a line somewhere (e.g stay within your local area) because the average person is a poor risk assessor. I see this all the time in my line of work- there is quite literally no such thing as common sense, and it should never be relied upon as a mitigation.

You probably won’t cause anybody to die if you travel outside your local area once, but if everyone does it, and frequently, the risk skyrockets.[/quote]
Regarding causing people to die because of a lot of people travelling outside of their local area - is that in England where it's legal, or Scotland where it's illegal?

This thread is criticising people because they are not 'sticking to ALL the rules'. You are all making personal judgements about what a person chooses to do on the basis of whether what they are doing is against the law where they live.

Doing something in England - not against the law, no criticism. Doing the same in Scotland because it is against the law - you are a terrible person.

I guess I’ve stood in the park with other parents while children used the play equipment, and maybe had a chat to parents outside school. So, no, not kept to it 100% but apart from that I’ve kept to it.

@kellehi it was an example to illustrate my point, not a reflection on current restrictions. I’m aware they are different in the four nations but if everyone travels outside their restricted area (no matter where the boundary is drawn), it’s really not hard to compute that the risk will increase. There will be other different restrictions in place in each area for the overall risk to balance out.

It is up to those who are seeing the bigger picture and the risk scorings to draw up the required restrictions. And if you think you know better despite not having access to all the knowledge they have, and if you then break the set restrictions in your country, then yes, I will judge you.

@HikeForward

Yes, the chills and sweats are very familiar, and rises in temperature. (Very rare, but I still have the chills and sweats.) I puke very occasionally; mostly it’s just nausea. I struggle to swallow and digest sometimes too.

It’s really shit isn’t it? I hope you make a good recovery.

I’m sticking to the rules because there’s bugger all else to do (as well as because of my wonderfully moral nature, of course )

[quote user1471539324]@kellehi it was an example to illustrate my point, not a reflection on current restrictions. I’m aware they are different in the four nations but if everyone travels outside their restricted area (no matter where the boundary is drawn), it’s really not hard to compute that the risk will increase. There will be other different restrictions in place in each area for the overall risk to balance out.

It is up to those who are seeing the bigger picture and the risk scorings to draw up the required restrictions. And if you think you know better despite not having access to all the knowledge they have, and if you then break the set restrictions in your country, then yes, I will judge you.[/quote]
You just had to say 'Yes, that's correct'.

Because I respect other people

@kellehi you’re just rambling incoherently now. So you don’t understand why there are differences in restrictions. What am I supposedly agreeing with? Yes, I am judging you, because you have a lack of critical thinking yet think you think your logic is infallible. Classic Dunning Kruger effect.

[quote user1471539324]@kellehi you’re just rambling incoherently now. So you don’t understand why there are differences in restrictions. What am I supposedly agreeing with? Yes, I am judging you, because you have a lack of critical thinking yet think you think your logic is infallible. Classic Dunning Kruger effect.[/quote]
Ah, there we go.

I wondered how long it would take until "You disagree with me? It must be because you are thick" was trotted out.

@Mittens030869 PVF can be highly debilitating, in my case it’s meant I’ve lost my career, my relationship and mr mobility as I’m unable to do much of anything. All brought about from a dose of glandular fever 10 years ago.

@kellehi I would never write someone off as thick based on one conversation, but you seem unable to apply critical thinking to this subject, probably due to lack of knowledge of ‘risk’. That’s ok, but you should listen when people who do have that knowledge try to inform you, rather than trying to win the argument. Know what you know. And know what you don’t know. That’s all I’m saying.

@OwlBeThere

I’m so sorry you’ve had such an awful time.

It sounds like your PVS turned into ME/CFS, which certainly can be debilitating. My DSis had glandular fever and PVS, at a similar age to you, but she recovered ultimately.

I’d actually been diagnosed with CFS after flu two years ago. I then caught Covid early on in the pandemic, which turned into Long Covid. So I suppose it’s impossible to know how the CFS would have panned out for me.

I suppose the reality is, they’re both very bad, but different. We obviously don’t know the long-term prognosis for Long Covid sufferers as yet.

@ThePlantsitter

Because it's the law and I'm pretty law abiding.

I know it's fashionable to 'use your own judgement' on topics you know fuck all about but I actually prefer to be told what to do when I can't be arsed to do all the scientific research myself (because that would require years of scientific training anyway).

This pretty much sums up how I'd answer too.

@RaspberryCoulis

Because I care about other people's lives and if they live or die, not just me. Covid has shown how selfish a lot of people are. A lot of people care not a jot if other people survive, it seems.

Conversely, I don't really believe people are so utterly altruistic as they say they are - every sacrifice for the greater good and for the community at large. We're all selfish to some degree, it's human nature. You care about your nearest and dearest far more than you care about random strangers you've never met. That's not selfishness, it's human nature.

I have to take the people who say they are making sacrifices for the greater good or people they will never meet with a huge pinch of salt. Because they're not really, they are either protecting themselves, or their immediate family. Nothing wrong with that - but don't dress it up as something it's not.

That's sad. But it explains a lot. Because you lack compassion for strangers, you don't believe others capable of it.

That's sad. But it explains a lot. Because you lack compassion for strangers, you don't believe others capable of it.

It's interesting, isn't it @ladygindiva? The OP doesn't seem to have a problem recognising that she is selfish, but she is very invested in claiming that everyone else must therefore be selfish too. She is apparently unwilling to contemplate the possibility that she is just more self-centred than the average person.

@RaspberryCoulis

Mmm

Just because you don't care about anything except yourself, doesrnr mean the rest of us don't.

My godmother died because she caught covid.

You with your rule breaking might as well have killed her yourself.

I stand by that view, and I'm gutted anyone with your views is in Scotland.

Reassure yourself that everyone is as selfish as you if you want, it doesn't make you a better person.

The government lost their hold over people after the Cummings fiasco and they’re unlikely to ever regain it. Most people know at least one person who has tested positive and the vast majority are absolutely fine. I know 6 people who have had it, all of them (including 3 with underlying health conditions) barely noticed. Of course it isn’t the same for everyone by any means but the average age of death is 82 and our life expectancy is 81. We’re destroying people’s mental health and I’m genuinely more concerned about both that and the people dying from other illnesses which could have been prevented in ordinary circumstances.

I do follow the rules to an extent. Some of them are ludicrous and make little to no sense. I’m also worried we’re using 1984 as a guidebook.

Speaking as someone who works in social care and has had to work throughout lockdown, it pisses me off when others flout the rules...especially those that have wfh!

I met a friend in a park today with our children. First time in months. It was two adults and five children so presumably against the law.

We both test the children with the lateral flow tests as the guidance states for school children.

I follow the rules that make sense to me. I won’t be mixing in houses or indoor spaces with friends but I will take advantage of meeting them outdoors.

I no longer care if I’m judged for that.

@Norwaydidnthappen

The government lost their hold over people after the Cummings fiasco and they’re unlikely to ever regain it. Most people know at least one person who has tested positive and the vast majority are absolutely fine. I know 6 people who have had it, all of them (including 3 with underlying health conditions) barely noticed. Of course it isn’t the same for everyone by any means but the average age of death is 82 and our life expectancy is 81. We’re destroying people’s mental health and I’m genuinely more concerned about both that and the people dying from other illnesses which could have been prevented in ordinary circumstances.

I do follow the rules to an extent. Some of them are ludicrous and make little to no sense. I’m also worried we’re using 1984 as a guidebook.

Mm.

Have a look on threads where people DHs died in their 50s or someone who lost a child, and then remember that.

I agree with you about people dying due to mental health or missed scans, but people line OP making sure lockdown is extended by their selfish behaviour is causing that.

I feel it’s the right thing to do.

I am mostly sticking to the rules, family has visited for a 2mtr distant Tea.
Otherwise I'm sticking to the rules, the cases are growing daily within the school, if I allow my DS out he mixes with anyone who will play, a mix of 6 families all rolling around wrestling.
I haven't got the reassurance of vaccine herd immunity, no one knows yet if the vaccine is fully effective either.
So many people are throwing caution to the wind to soon.
It's like we never learn, I may be pessimistic but I'm watching Spain/Italy/France we were right behind them.