If you're still sticking to ALL the rules/guidance - why?

[RaspberryCoulis]

Will start by saying I am not sticking to the covid rules any more. Obviously I can't go places which aren't open. But we have had people in the house, kids are going out with friends probably in larger numbers than are permitted, we're crossing local authority boundaries which is supposedly illegal in Scotland. Why? Because we've been in lockdown for a year, cases here are very low, and some things are more important than Covid.

But on every thread there are people claiming that they are sticking rigidly to every single rule and guideline, never breaking ANY rule. They would probably say I was a selfish covid-denier who was hellbent on murdering their granny.

So if you're sticking to all the guidelines and rules, without fail - why? People who are clinically extremely vulnerable (officially) I can understand in part if they're not vaccinated. But the rest of you? Is it because you're scared of Covid, or scared of your neighbours, or scared of breaking the law by mistake?

Well you're obviously not law abiding, as you've literally just written that you've been breaking laws

@LindaEllen I’ll stand corrected but I actually don’t think the OP is breaking any laws by driving to the next area to take exercise.

It’s not law unless it’s in the Regulations.

The regulations/law are supplemented by guidance. The guidance is not law. You are asked to follow it but you aren’t breaking the law if you don’t.

I think the local exercise rule is in the guidance not the law.

I pretty much have, but took my kids to see my dad in his v large front garden bevgore schools started back (as from my perspective that was safer than him meeting them tomorrow - as several of their classmates have also been meeting inside houses throughout lockdown with parents "risk-assessing" themselves and no one else.

OP people like you are putting schools staying open at risk. I'd say more but I'll only get banned.

Also much of the population has sacrificed freedom, finances etc so that all kids can go back to school at once. It would be a slap in the face to those if we all took the piss and made the numbers spike to delay opening up further.

@Fridget

Well you're obviously not law abiding, as you've literally just written that you've been breaking laws

@LindaEllen I’ll stand corrected but I actually don’t think the OP is breaking any laws by driving to the next area to take exercise.

It’s not law unless it’s in the Regulations.

The regulations/law are supplemented by guidance. The guidance is not law. You are asked to follow it but you aren’t breaking the law if you don’t.

I think the local exercise rule is in the guidance not the law.

What about people in the home?

Op left that part off that post but it is in the op

Must admit I find it easier to just follow guidelines but is the people in the house one illegal?

You need to see the bigger picture. I have worked full time in a supermarket throughout this pandemic. Lucky you to be able to work at home! I rely on people like you to follow the rules, and limit the spread. I am surrounded by people everyday, and I can't yet access a jab.
People like you are the reason we had such an awful wave after Christmas. Selfish.
People died because of this attitude.

If you can't see why people are following the rules, then there's no point in explaining.

You're too stupid to understand.

Why does it matter that you can do one thing in England, but it's against the law in Scotland and Wales?

People here are acting that 'oh, you break the law and people will die...'

Why will they die if you do that thing in Scotland or Wales, but not in England?

Must admit I find it easier to just follow guidelines but is the people in the house one illegal?

Sorry marsha you’re right - I did read the OP when the thread started but didn’t revisit it when I responded to that post so didn’t have in my mind that OP had people round.

Yes having people in the home is in the regulations so that is breaking the law.

@kellehi

Why does it matter that you can do one thing in England, but it's against the law in Scotland and Wales?

People here are acting that 'oh, you break the law and people will die...'

Why will they die if you do that thing in Scotland or Wales, but not in England?

It’s about an overall number of transmissions when worked out on a population level.

It’s not a case of follow the rules and people won’t die, break them and they will. You can follow the rules and pass it on to someone who will die. You can break them and not transmit it to anyone.

The rules don’t always make a lot of sense when looked at regarding individuals. They are intended to work on a national level to keep R below O and limit virus transmission to a manageable level. Different countries will do this differently.

Because I think we all really need this shit to end.
Was really hopeful we all did our bit to collectively reduce transmissions, get our vaccines and alleviate pressure from the nhs.

But then this requires folks like yourself OP to do the same .

I despair I really do

You are not big,not clever and you are teaching your dc how to be irresponsible and law breaking.
It doesn't take long for areas with low covid victims to change to high,especially when people like you are happy to host people in their home and allow their children to mix in groups.
Have you no regard or appreciation for the NHS workers?clearly not.
Shameful and you should be ashamed.

Tbh it’s mostly because I can’t be arsed being fined or police shouting at me for looking at someone in public or whatever
Had covid as did my DP, both mostly asymptomatic, might get it again I know but it’s unlikely. And if I did I wouldn’t be too worried tbh.

@RaspberryCoulis

DH and I have been working from home for a year. We're not seeing relatives as they are quite some distance away. We're not using public transport, gathering in large groups.

In what way is it "risky" for DH and I to drive 30 minutes to the next council area for a walk rather than drive 5 minutes within our own council area? Makes no sense.

I'm law abiding too. Never arrested, never had so much as a speeding ticket.

You are 'permitted' 5 miles outside your council boundary so you're fine with that one :)

@flippertygibbit where have you got 5 miles from? No one has ever given a distance.

I believe in collective responsibility - that means everyone playing their part.
I believe the experts know more than I do. The government is taking advice from experts so I'll go along with their judgement rather than thinking I know best.

[quote mn81987]@flippertygibbit where have you got 5 miles from? No one has ever given a distance. [/quote]
It's the rule in Scotland.

So if you go more than five miles from your council boundary in Scotland, people will yell at you because what you did WILL cause NHS workers to have to look at people dying of Covid, but if you do it in England, they won't...

I have Long Covid. Believe me, you don’t want to end up with that, and young and healthy people can and do develop it. (I don’t fit into that category myself being 51 and overweight.)

It isn’t likely to happen, but it could. And as yet we have no way of knowing who might be at risk of developing Long Covid.

Quite apart from the risks to yourself and your loved ones, we really need to keep the R rate down to reduce the risk of new variants. We do want the nightmare of the last year to be over surely?

Well.. I hope, should we be locked down again, you pat yourself on the back and don't have the audacity to complain about the fact.

Isn’t long covid just post viral fatigue syndrome basically ?? People have been getting that, kids included,’for years, remember teens at school being off for months with glandular fever, no one really gave a shit 🙈

@LoopyLoux

Well.. I hope, should we be locked down again, you pat yourself on the back and don't have the audacity to complain about the fact.

Oh, there will be a lockdown when respiratory diseases rise again in the coming months when summer turns to autumn turns to winter, you can be sure of that.

You can also be sure that they will say "You need to be locked down again, because the last lockdown wasn't hard enough/too many people breaking the rules". It will never be "The lockdown didn't work, because lockdowns don't work.

@kellehi you don’t understand risk management and it shows.

Risk management is based on staying below a tolerable level of risk. So the four nations may have different restrictions but in all likelihood will be aiming to have a similar overall risk. They have to draw a line somewhere (e.g stay within your local area) because the average person is a poor risk assessor. I see this all the time in my line of work- there is quite literally no such thing as common sense, and it should never be relied upon as a mitigation.

You probably won’t cause anybody to die if you travel outside your local area once, but if everyone does it, and frequently, the risk skyrockets.

@Blueeyedgirl21

No, Long Covid isn’t the same as Post Viral Fatigue. I’ve had that before myself! That just meant I was knocked out for months and it took a long time to build up strength again. If anyone has had a different experience of this please tell me, as it might impact on others more. But the point is it’s ‘Post’ Viral Syndrome.

With Long Covid, I had a recurring temperature for five months (very rarely now). I still have debilitating coughing fits and breathlessness. I also get knocked out after any physical activity. I also have nausea on and off.

But worse than that, I get dizzy spells and brain fog. I forget things constantly, names of people and things and activities I just did a short while ago.

Because their are lots of new variants about, the NHS could easily get overwhelmed again, we don’t know if the vaccines work against all variants.

Because covid put me in hospital (and I’m mid 30s with no risk factors) and now I’m struggling with long Covid months later.

But I also work in the NHS so I haven’t had to experience the isolation and loneliness others have. I chat to my colleagues and patients in person every day and the offices are ‘Covid secure’ so we don’t have to stay in PPE all day.

Also I don’t want a 2K fine for breaking the law especially just to visit a friend at home or see family socially. And while most of my family are vaccinated I don’t believe it’s the safety net others seem to think it is.

It was really scary for the first couple of months when my symptoms just didn’t clear up. I would develop ‘false dawns’ when I thought I was recovering and then got bad again.

Other people have different symptoms. For example, there’s a mental health impact, e.g. depression. Symptoms have included body aches, pins and needles. Digestive problems.

Isn’t long covid just post viral fatigue syndrome basically

No sadly it’s not. It’s potentially multi organ damage, they still don’t know exactly how covid affects the body or how a person’s genetics put them at greater risk.

Long covid for me is less fatigue, more ongoing chest and back pain, random fevers and chills that can put me in bed for days, sudden vomiting spells and the reoccurrence of that covid taste (in my case a metallic burnt metal taste). Asthma that flares up suddenly after years of no asthma. Joint pain that makes it hard to get down the stairs some mornings yet is gone by noon. All vague symptoms but very physical, and come and go with no warning.